More Obamacare fuckups

[Gelston]

How about you stop being pedantic and offer something quantitative to this discussion other than pointing out something that was, in itself, pedantic to begin with, and obviously stated tongue-in-cheek as an opener?

You first, Back, I mean, Thond.

[Thondalar]

You first, Back, I mean, Thond.

Wow, really? You're better than that.

[Gelston]

Wow, really? You're better than that.

You're not though!

[Thondalar]

You're not though!

Is your health Insurance better now than it was 5 years ago? Pretty simple question.

[Gelston]

Is your health Insurance better now than it was 5 years ago? Pretty simple question.

5 years ago I was in the military, so I couldn't tell you.

[Thondalar]

For me there is practically no change...I'm curious about how it has affected other people in other situations.

[Thondalar]

5 years ago I was in the military, so I couldn't tell you.

Fair enough, can't really call it considering military care. That's well outside of the purview of the ACA.

[Kembal]

I'll never get tired of hearing people say "Sure premiums went up but not by that much. Wasn't Obamacare supposed to make health care "affordable"?

Someone help me out here. Okay, before Obamacare health insurance supposedly wasn't affordable. Now we take those unaffordable healthcare plans and make them even more expensive. How has healthcare gotten "affordable"?

1. Premium increases are less than before.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/23/up...ases.html?_r=0

The overall assessment: By nearly any comparison, the average 1 percent premium increases available to consumers is remarkably low. We are in a period of record-low health-care spending growth. But even in this period, premium increases lower than inflation is unusually good news.

2. Subsidies

3. Competition in markets by new insurers entering into the market

4. No pre-existing coverage exclusion

5. Less uninsured people going to ER who are unable to pay the bills later, which has lowered the increase in health care costs for everyone, since hospitals have to recover those unpaid costs by charging higher prices to those who are insured.

6. And finally, the kicker: when you have health insurance, your health care bills are a lot less than when you don't have insurance. i.e. healthcare has gotten more affordable for you.

[Thondalar]

1. Premium increases are less than before.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/23/up...ases.html?_r=0



2. Subsidies

3. Competition in markets by new insurers entering into the market

4. No pre-existing coverage exclusion

5. Less uninsured people going to ER who are unable to pay the bills later, which has lowered the increase in health care costs for everyone, since hospitals have to recover those unpaid costs by charging higher prices to those who are insured.

6. And finally, the kicker: when you have health insurance, your health care bills are a lot less than when you don't have insurance. i.e. healthcare has gotten more affordable for you.

Just curious, what sort of plan were you on before ACA, and what sort of plan are you on now?

[Wrathbringer]

1. Premium increases are less than before.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/23/up...ases.html?_r=0



2. Subsidies

3. Competition in markets by new insurers entering into the market

4. No pre-existing coverage exclusion

5. Less uninsured people going to ER who are unable to pay the bills later, which has lowered the increase in health care costs for everyone, since hospitals have to recover those unpaid costs by charging higher prices to those who are insured.

6. And finally, the kicker: when you have health insurance, your health care bills are a lot less than when you don't have insurance. i.e. healthcare has gotten more affordable for you.

Actually, emergency room visits were free and now everyone that was doing that has to pay. That's more expensive, not more affordable. This is all part of the UN/WHO's master plan. Tv has done its job brainwashing the masses. Hurry! Get back to your video games and tv shows before you notice!