Age of Marijuana Use and Psychosis

[Latrinsorm]

My contention is that CBD withdrawal can cause psychosis, just like other atypical anti-psychotics. Why you insist on showing me what its side effects are while being taken is beyond me.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I do not vilify or dismiss. I merely quote from your source. Do you dispute that CBD has a pharmacological profile similar to clozapine, and that clozapine has withdrawal symptoms that include psychosis? Your new source's only mention of withdrawal effects is that one 19-year-old didn't have them.Can you be more specific about what effect that would have in this case? That is: are the risks of Zoloft are higher or lower than the stated values, are the risks of marijuana higher or lower?

Clearly not. You think because you have mental illness you deserve to control the health and well being of others. You are so full of shit I wish you'd stop pretending.


You are literally the worst kind of asshole and I'm so happy you have no power.

And seriously, you disgust me.

[Fallen]

And seriously, you disgust me.

Did you see how he first 1. only read what I quoted, then 2. Completely dismissed the mountains of evidence I showed concerning the safety of CBD?

Seriously, just put him on ignore and be done with it. There is no reasoning with the man. He will talk about harm reduction in one second, and throwing people into prisons he admits are fucked up in the next. He will rail against schizophrenia then jump through all sorts of hoops to trivialize a fantastic tool for its treatment.

[Ceyrin]

Just leave Latrin alone. He's a nazi.

[Latrinsorm]

Clearly not. You think because you have mental illness you deserve to control the health and well being of others. You are so full of shit I wish you'd stop pretending. You are literally the worst kind of asshole and I'm so happy you have no power. And seriously, you disgust me.

Well, I'm not sure what specifically you're responding to with "clearly not", but if I can address your other points:

1. I think that the government has a responsibility to protect the health and well being of its citizens, and I think everyone thinks this to varying degrees. Even "get rid of the FDA" Thondalar thinks the government should provide for the national defense. As it happens, I think that you and I actually support the same degree of government control. Our only disagreement is factual: the risk posed by marijuana relative to other substances.

2. I brought up my history of mental illness in an attempt to defuse the sense of us vs. them that I felt from your posts. Obviously this did not work out quite the way I intended, but we really are all in this together.

3. My position could be stated most succinctly as marijuana should remain illegal. "literally the worst kind of a**hole", I mean, come on. I've tried a couple ways of phrasing this without sounding confrontational but I'm just going to say it's not intended to be: don't be ridiculous.

I have made a good faith effort to answer the criticisms raised of my data.
I started with a study linking marijuana use to psychotic symptoms.
People raised the question of a specific disease, I produced studies linking it to schizophrenia.
People raised the question of self-medication or otherwise reverse causation, I produced studies with longitudinal models.
People raised the question of family history, I produced a study that explicitly controlled for that.
People raised the question of age of exposure, I produced a study that controlled for that.

The only question I have dismissed is WB's request for cell pathologies of schizophrenia, and I stand by dismissing that. How is it that I answer every question raised of me, nobody ever answers the questions I raise, and I'm the jerk?

Did you see how he first 1. only read what I quoted, then 2. Completely dismissed the mountains of evidence I showed concerning the safety of CBD?

This is not true. I noticed that your quote contained no mention of withdrawal at all, so I opened your source and looked for it there, finding only "that one 19-year-old didn't have them." This is explicit, inarguable evidence that I read your source, not just what you quoted, and somehow you'll still be right. I asked you a question that you did not answer. Answering some other question, no matter how well you answer it, is irrelevant, and somehow you're still right.

Seriously, just put him on ignore and be done with it. There is no reasoning with the man. He will talk about harm reduction in one second, and throwing people into prisons he admits are fucked up in the next. He will rail against schizophrenia then jump through all sorts of hoops to trivialize a fantastic tool for its treatment.

I could not ask for a better example of what I talked about above. I have said multiple times that CBD is an atypical anti-psychotic; that is, the premier treatment for schizophrenia. There is literally no higher praise I could offer for CBD in this context, and you read that as trivializing it. How am I being the unreasonable one? How is pointing out that drugs have side effects jumping through hoops?

[Warriorbird]

Well, I'm not sure what specifically you're responding to with "clearly not", but if I can address your other points:

1. I think that the government has a responsibility to protect the health and well being of its citizens, and I think everyone thinks this to varying degrees. Even "get rid of the FDA" Thondalar thinks the government should provide for the national defense. As it happens, I think that you and I actually support the same degree of government control. Our only disagreement is factual: the risk posed by marijuana relative to other substances.

2. I brought up my history of mental illness in an attempt to defuse the sense of us vs. them that I felt from your posts. Obviously this did not work out quite the way I intended, but we really are all in this together.

3. My position could be stated most succinctly as marijuana should remain illegal. "literally the worst kind of a**hole", I mean, come on. I've tried a couple ways of phrasing this without sounding confrontational but I'm just going to say it's not intended to be: don't be ridiculous.

I have made a good faith effort to answer the criticisms raised of my data.
I started with a study linking marijuana use to psychotic symptoms.
People raised the question of a specific disease, I produced studies linking it to schizophrenia.
People raised the question of self-medication or otherwise reverse causation, I produced studies with longitudinal models.
People raised the question of family history, I produced a study that explicitly controlled for that.
People raised the question of age of exposure, I produced a study that controlled for that.

The only question I have dismissed is WB's request for cell pathologies of schizophrenia, and I stand by dismissing that. How is it that I answer every question raised of me, nobody ever answers the questions I raise, and I'm the jerk?This is not true. I noticed that your quote contained no mention of withdrawal at all, so I opened your source and looked for it there, finding only "that one 19-year-old didn't have them." This is explicit, inarguable evidence that I read your source, not just what you quoted, and somehow you'll still be right. I asked you a question that you did not answer. Answering some other question, no matter how well you answer it, is irrelevant, and somehow you're still right.I could not ask for a better example of what I talked about above. I have said multiple times that CBD is an atypical anti-psychotic; that is, the premier treatment for schizophrenia. There is literally no higher praise I could offer for CBD in this context, and you read that as trivializing it. How am I being the unreasonable one? How is pointing out that drugs have side effects jumping through hoops?

It's all the same as your "defense" of intelligent design.

[Methais]

Has Latrinsorm ever been drunk?

[Warriorbird]

Has Latrinsorm ever been drunk?

I wouldn't doubt it. The "casual drinking" line tends to come up from people who are rationalizing.

It's funny. Marijuana prohibition has actually lead to a tremendous increase in use.

[Wrathbringer]

I wouldn't doubt it. The "casual drinking" line tends to come up from people who are rationalizing.

Think he's catholic, too. So that's a slam dunk.

[Methais]

Has Latrin ever raped anyone while drunk?