More Obamacare fuckups

[Latrinsorm]

Individual profit motive is not the same thing as enterprise profit motive, you hostile chamber.

[Tgo01]

Individual profit motive is not the same thing as enterprise profit motive, you hostile chamber.

Both lead to decreased quality so they are the same.

[Latrinsorm]

Is that like both frogs and money are green so they are the same? Xeno is unimpressed, Terry, and if he borrows Xena's chakram you're gonna regret it.

[Tgo01]

Is that like both frogs and money are green so they are the same?

Don't be stupid. Frogs make croaking noises so it's hard to pass them off as money.

I would say money and chameleons is a better example.

[Johnny Five]

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We're at #1 in American history for all three.Police (and domestic security in general), military (and defense in general), utilities, roads.

ROADS???? HAHAHAHHAH
Now I know you clearly don't know what they fuck you are talking about.

[Jeril]

ROADS???? HAHAHAHHAH
Now I know you clearly don't know what they fuck you are talking about.

No one is saying that they are perfect and in most places the roads are in relatively good repair. There are certainly places that make you wonder though. The problems with the government are also problems with the people, you know us. People are more worried about their short sighted goals then any long term solutions.

[Johnny Five]

No one is saying that they are perfect and in most places the roads are in relatively good repair. There are certainly places that make you wonder though. The problems with the government are also problems with the people, you know us. People are more worried about their short sighted goals then any long term solutions.

Yeah like not driving down a mine field and destroying you car. Or when you have to sit in 4 hours of traffic because they closed down 8 miles of road to work on 250 feet of it. Minneapolis at least half ass gets it and does some of the work at night. St. Paul is a shithole and has terrible roads and they were designed by a bunch of drunk Irish.

P.S.
MnDOT gets transportation funds from motor fuel tax, vehicle sales tax, vehicle registration fees, investment income, the federal government, the state general fund and trunk highway bonds. Currently, the cost to construct one mile of roadway varies from $2-50 million per mile depending on the number of lanes and interchanges constructed and whether the location is urban or rural.

[Warriorbird]

Latrin came up with some of the best Libertarian/neocon trolling ever. I'm proud.

[Latrinsorm]

Yeah like not driving down a mine field and destroying you car.

You know, this is a really insensitive comparison to make when you know ex-military people read this board. Or I guess you just don't care about our troops like waywardgs? Pretty sad. Pretty sad.

Or when you have to sit in 4 hours of traffic because they closed down 8 miles of road to work on 250 feet of it. Minneapolis at least half ass gets it and does some of the work at night. St. Paul is a shithole and has terrible roads and they were designed by a bunch of drunk Irish.

P.S.
MnDOT gets transportation funds from motor fuel tax, vehicle sales tax, vehicle registration fees, investment income, the federal government, the state general fund and trunk highway bonds. Currently, the cost to construct one mile of roadway varies from $2-50 million per mile depending on the number of lanes and interchanges constructed and whether the location is urban or rural.

Well there's your problem, you live in Canada. Calling it the 51st state is a joke, it's really more of an unincorporated territory or desolate wilderness. Come on over to New England, auld ally!

[cwolff]

Any time someone pays for anything that benefits another it's charity. It's not a "Libertarian" view, it's what the word means. With that being said, you act like charity is a bad thing. I think it's a wonderful thing, and our strong spirit of giving is one of the things that make Americans great. The issue is that it transitions from charity to theft when the government forcibly takes your property for the purpose of charity.

I'm confused...how does someone else having medical bills affect you? Why are you so keen on making insurance companies rich? I'm starting to think you really don't understand how this works. You do realize that even before ACA, nobody would be refused medical care in the US, right? I'm surprised to hear you say that forcing people to line the wallets of wall street fat cats is "good citizenship".

Buying a car from Big Head DBag car dealership benefits Big Head DBag. That's not charity. You're required to pay taxes if you are a part of this economy and those taxes pay for roads. Does that mean roads are charity spending? It's just not true that any time somebody pays for anything that benefits another it's charity. BTW, I've made no statement for or against charity but I will discuss it now.

Charity is a great thing but I wouldn't go patting yourself on the back too hard about how it makes America great. Social programs only exist because we do not give enough money to charity to take care of these issues within our communities. If churches, families, communities and the people who live there could be counted on to be charitable we'd not have so many people on unemployment or welfare. They'd be getting taken care of by their charitable neighbors. One could say that welfare is actually the exact opposite of charity. Charity is voluntary, welfare programs have to be paid for from taxes because we, as a society, decided that there's value to do it and no one else is.

I realize no one would be refused medical care. Ronnie Reagan made that important. You may not like that I debunked the blackjack argument because you are gambling right now. If you face major health problems between now and the Jan 1 you may not be able to pay those bills. If you can't then we're looking at another bankruptcy or written off bad debt. The more people that don't pay the more the rest of society has to chip in. A real world example is FHA mortgage insurance. They took a beating on foreclosures so they not only raised mortgage insurance rates, they also made it a permanent fixture of FHA loans. All the people that gambled on home ownership with low down payments through FHA that lost, have caused the new home buyers who want FHA loans to pay much higher insurance premiums. That's how someone else's medical bills affect all of us.