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[waywardgs]

He works for a consulting firm called greenspirit that have energy companies as clients. It's PR and lobbying stuff.

[Tgo01]

Words with Tg again? PC should make an app for that.

Ad hominem! Ad hominem!

He works for a consulting firm called greenspirit that have energy companies as clients.

Which energy companies?

And why is having an energy company as a client automatically bad? That's like exactly the point they were trying to make in that Penn and Teller show. This movement isn't so much "let's fix the world!" but rather "corporations are BAD!"

I love my energy company. Without it I wouldn't have delicious frozen Strawberry Shortcake ice cream treats waiting for me.

[waywardgs]

I'm also on my phone so no I'm not providing you with sources, citations, double-blind test results in a graph form or anything. You can look it up like a big boy.

[Tgo01]

You can look it up like a big boy.

I did. I just want to make sure we're all on the same page here.

[waywardgs]

Just like in the video where they challenge climate activists to understand where their motivating forces lie, so should you ask what moore's motivations are. Oil companies sign his paychecks. If you liked the video, feel free to follow through and apply it's message everywhere.

[Tgo01]

Just like in the video where they challenge climate activists to understand where their motivating forces lie, so should you ask what moore's motivations are. Oil companies sign his paychecks. If you liked the video, feel free to follow through and apply it's message everywhere.

But, shouldn't I be saying this to you and cwolff? You two are saying Moore is a sellout and a shill yet neither of you have yet to provide a single name of an energy company he is a shill for.

[waywardgs]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...oore#On_mining

Here's some companies.
You say you looks it up, what did you find? I'm not fighting you, I'm honestly curious. There are a lot of front organizations on his resume. Nuclear, mining, chemical, plastics- a convoluted myriad of organizations that seem to be go-betweens also.

[waywardgs]

And I should have said "energy, natural gas, nuclear, mining and chemical companies sign his paychecks", not "oil companies." My bad.

[waywardgs]

I'm gonna go ahead and restate my assertion that the guy is definitely a shill. He'll say whatever for whomever.

[cwolff]

I'm gonna go ahead and restate my assertion that the guy is definitely a shill. He'll say whatever for whomever.

The worst part, and the part that really makes him a shill, is that he either represents himself or lets other represent him as a co-founder of Greenpeace without also making clear that he is a paid spokesperson for all sectors of the energy industry. Did the Penn and Teller bit talk about him as a paid industry spokesperson?

Yup, 4 minutes into Penn and Tellers piece and they're introducing this guy as a founder of Greenpeace while he calls himself a lifelong ecologist. Maybe later they say that he's been working as a communications consultant for the energy industry. If someone watches it and sees this please post the time.