More Obamacare fuckups

[Latrinsorm]

I don't often care for British spellings, but "sceptic" really appeals to me for some reason.

[Wrathbringer]

Reid corrupt? Surely not. Say it ain't so, liberals.

Ron exposes the $700,000 donated to Harry Reid by a doctor who received the largest Medicare reimbursement in 2012. Also, removing HHS Sec. Kathleen Sebelius will do nothing to cure a deeply flawed and fraudulent government run healthcare system.

http://www.ronpaulchannel.com/video/...gn=DailyUpdate

[cwolff]

This is what I don't understand about your arguments. One minute you're saying Republicans are a bunch of fashion fascists for wanting to repeal Obamacare instead of working with the Democrats to make it better and you say Republicans have offered no healthcare plans of their own then when you have a Republican healthcare plan dropped in your lap all you can do is bash it and says it's worthless.

That's exactly what Republicans are saying in regards to Obamacare; it's worthless so let's scrape it and start over but when Republicans do that they are just evil warlords wanting to take us back to the gilded age where everyone was a carpetbaggerr.

I think your version of events is too simplistic. It's too black or white, yes or no. There's a qualitative evaluation you're not making. I'm not even talking about quality of the plans but qualitative in the sense that Bush put this forward in 2007 as a lame duck with bigger fish to fry like the WOT and looming financial meltdown. It's disingenuous to say that the GOP was fighting the good fight for health care reform and the democrats killed it for vulgar partisan politics.

[Jarvan]

Once again you're just bitching to bitch. This has been coming for a long time. It took Barack Obama's Presidency to get it done.

I don't get why you have to always make this some tit-for-tat bullshit. As if the GOP's been leading the health care reform debate and were stymied at every turn by those evil Democrats. You don't have to be partisan all the time. Criticize the dems all you want but you're barking up the wrong tree trying to blame them for not having comprehensive health care reform.

LOL.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh today. I had a hard day.

[Jarvan]

Your numbers are off.

I think the RAND health insurance survey is the best number out there:

http://www.rand.org/blog/2014/04/sur...an-adults.html

Bullet points:


Bolding mine.

Two caveats:
1. There is a large margin of error on this survey, about 3.5 million. however, at worst, that still means a net gain of 5.8 million insured.
2. The survey did not capture the last minute enrollment surge at the end of March.

With that said, the marketplace enrollment statistic is not the only barometer of how successful the ACA will be in reducing the amount of uninsured. The increased enrollment in Medicaid and the increased enrollment in employer-sponsored insurance (due to the mandate) have to be included as well.

Mandate has been delayed till 2016. They don't want to lose the whitehouse when employers tell their employees "fuck you, buy it yourself".

[Jarvan]

We haven't spent a trillion, we are spending (on the order of) a trillion over the 10 years from 2010 to 2019. To compound this, as a businessman you are surely aware that costs and revenue are not evenly distributed in a start-up. Operating at a loss is common in the first few years, so measuring 4 years of revenue against 10 years of cost and declaring the business a failure is even more silly.

Except that ACA operated at a Positive the first 4 years. All the costs are in the back end. And those costs will just get worse and worse over time.

What they did was (as an example) took a job working construction in NYC. They worked for 4 years while being homeless and saved almost all their money. Then they got a penthouse apartment for 10k a month. But they only make 5k a month. But that's ok, because they saved all that money for 4 years so they could pay for the apartment. AA few years later and they are deep in debt still renting an apartment they can't afford.

That's the ACA. And with so many new medicaid people, it's getting even worse.

[Tgo01]

It's disingenuous to say that the GOP was fighting the good fight for health care reform and the democrats killed it for vulgar partisan politics.

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[kutter]

I keep wondering what will happen if SCOTUS says that the individual mandate is unconstitutional due to the origination clause lawsuit that is pending, I know it is not real likely, but no one saw it coming that Roberts would call it a tax either, ironically, they very thing that kept it alive, may also have doomed a key provision of it.

[Warriorbird]

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The extra disingenuous bit? You're now going to the ropes for a Republican plan that would have done even less of what you claim to want and screwed over people in even worse ways. It even featured taxes going up over several years...for the recipients. It certainly wasn't the single payer you claim to want. You either have a painful level of cognitive dissonance or you're merely trolling. I think you're intelligent, so I'll assume trolling.

Shockingly enough there were reasons this plan failed apart from mere partisan politics.

[Tgo01]

You're now going to the ropes for a Republican plan

No I'm not.