Climate Change Report

[Laviticas]

Latrinsorm, actually have talked with a few experts. One said if we go by known data, technically we are still in an ice age when compared to long term geological data. Others neglect that long term data and use roughly 150-200 years of recorded data. I think it's a joke to say we know how the climate is supposed to be as if it's some static ecosystem.

[Warriorbird]

Latrinsorm, actually have talked with a few experts. One said if we go by known data, technically we are still in an ice age when compared to long term geological data. Others neglect that long term data and use roughly 150-200 years of recorded data. I think it's a joke to say we know how the climate is supposed to be as if it's some static ecosystem.

Were they alive at the time?

[Latrinsorm]

Latrinsorm, actually have talked with a few experts. One said if we go by known data, technically we are still in an ice age when compared to long term geological data. Others neglect that long term data and use roughly 150-200 years of recorded data. I think it's a joke to say we know how the climate is supposed to be as if it's some static ecosystem.

We can be in an ice age and still have manmade global warming. Think of it like a car: if you're going 55 and tap the brakes, you're still going forwards, just not as fast as you were before.

The reason people "use" 150-200 years is because those are the years that go wildly off-model. They've already gone through eight hundred thousand years in the past that are consistent with the model, no journal would publish a 200 year by 200 year block series of papers for that span saying "yep, model works here too" every time. Einstein didn't publish thousands of papers exhaustively detailing all the situations where Galilean relativity corresponded reasonably well with his, he published the one where Galilean relativity went completely off the rails. Academic papers have tight space limits, you've got to get to the good stuff and leave the rest in citations.

It's certainly true that dynamic systems are harder to model than static ones, but scientists have a lot of time on their hands and no girlfriends. Just ask one of them to see the model, and you can judge for yourself.

[Laviticas]

It's really this simple. You want to believe this garbage, you are free to take personal action, throw all YOUR money at it that you wish. Keep your hands off my hard earned money, and keep your Gestapo government out of my life.

[Jeril]

You know, with all the money our government tends to hand out to businesses I think they should get shares in those companies.

[Back]

Wow. We got some really convincing arguments in our politics folders lately.

Man, be glad you really aren't on the other end of a real Gestapo government. Drama much?

[Laviticas]

Wow. We got some really convincing arguments in our politics folders lately.

Man, be glad you really aren't on the other end of a real Gestapo government. Drama much?

How do you think this is going to end? We will need some style of world police to enforce your global warming laws. Then someone like China is going to say "fuck off" then a war will come soon after, resulting in the mass loss of life. Yes, Gestapo government.

[cwolff]

How do you think this is going to end? We will need some style of world police to enforce your global warming laws. Then someone like China is going to say "fuck off" then a war will come soon after, resulting in the mass loss of life. Yes, Gestapo government.

We're heading towards world police. It'll happen naturally unless some calamity intervenes to knock us back a few thousand years. Now I know you'll get all up in arms over this and start screaming about something or other but have you noticed how we do tend to consolidate/centralize? Just look how we went from all those crazy local and regional religions to having just a few dominate. Same thing with government. We started with some colonies, then made some states, and then the Federal gov't keeps getting more and more power. The progression will lead to more robust global government and the example you bring up is apropos.

[Laviticas]

We're heading towards world police. It'll happen naturally unless some calamity intervenes to knock us back a few thousand years. Now I know you'll get all up in arms over this and start screaming about something or other but have you noticed how we do tend to consolidate/centralize? Just look how we went from all those crazy local and regional religions to having just a few dominate. Same thing with government. We started with some colonies, then made some states, and then the Federal gov't keeps getting more and more power. The progression will lead to more robust global government and the example you bring up is apropos.

I won't scream about that. I agree that is where we are headed, then soon after it will collapse like a house of cards just as it always has in the past. There are many examples in history that support that outcome.

[Latrinsorm]

It's really this simple. You want to believe this garbage, you are free to take personal action, throw all YOUR money at it that you wish. Keep your hands off my hard earned money, and keep your Gestapo government out of my life.

...was this directed at me? I don't get how it follows from what we had been talking about. Have you looked at the model?