State of the Union 2014

[Jarvan]

Does all this comparison of presidential unemployment include normalization to account for the changes in the definition of how unemployment is calculated since Obama took office?

I am not sure if it counts the 2 trillion jobs he "saved" or not.

[Tgo01]

Did Obama save those jobs or did Congress?

[Latrinsorm]

And what is "A-Lying"?

It's when you're fitted from shoulders to waist and bow out from there.

Likewise I don't understand how tax cuts (which literally gives people more money to spend) leads to a recession and job losses either.

A recession is not determined by private sector spending alone. It turns out that the rate of government efficiency is higher than the rate of trickle-down follow-through, empirically speaking. This is one of many reasons why supply side economics fail in practice and Keynesian succeed.

Or are you racist and you don't believe black people are equal to whites?

Um, President Bush isn't black...

I'll accept Obama wasn't at fault for the 2009 unemployment rate.

If you will accept that 2010-2014 is all his fault.

Deal.

Hey look! Unemployment fell every year of 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013. Look guys, when Jarvan's right he's right: Obama has a 100% success rate in lowering unemployment. I for one laud Jarvan for reaching across the aisle on this issue.

[Warriorbird]

So basically, almost all of the "Clinton Era" policies were really enacted by the Republicans. So we should be praising them for the so called balanced budget, among other things.

Sorry WB, you can't have it both ways. Both parties are always to blame for everything, same as they are to be praised for anything. (note, praising is few and far between cause very few things are praise worthy really)

That being said.. Things not enacted by congress, but instead done entirely through the Executive branch ARE explicitly the area of the President.

It's really funny when you pretend I say partisan stuff when I'm not. You can't stop though.

Does all this comparison of presidential unemployment include normalization to account for the changes in the definition of how unemployment is calculated since Obama took office?

When every President since Reagan took office you mean? You guys need your own MoveOn.

[Johnny Five]

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go fuck yourself. I'm a dem and certainly can and do admit that he's made mistakes. way to make a gross generalization.

Put a frame around it.

[Tgo01]

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go fuck yourself. I'm a dem and certainly can and do admit that he's made mistakes. way to make a gross generalization.

Put a frame around it.

Unsigned rep admitting he/she thinks Obama has made mistakes. Gotta love it.

[Warriorbird]

I tend to think most unsigned rep is a product of a few trolls that don't belong to either party. Most of us don't have any trouble being obviously impolite to each other.

[Jarvan]

It's when you're fitted from shoulders to waist and bow out from there.A recession is not determined by private sector spending alone. It turns out that the rate of government efficiency is higher than the rate of trickle-down follow-through, empirically speaking. This is one of many reasons why supply side economics fail in practice and Keynesian succeed.Um, President Bush isn't black...Deal.

Hey look! Unemployment fell every year of 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013. Look guys, when Jarvan's right he's right: Obama has a 100% success rate in lowering unemployment. I for one laud Jarvan for reaching across the aisle on this issue.

I admit that the rate has gone down at a steady pace. Then again, it's hard to not go down when it's so fucking high. His "Shovel Ready Jobs" didn't do shit for it though. Actually, it wasn't until Repubs took the house that we saw the sharpest decline. So once again, it's all due to the Republicans. It's their fault the Unemployment rate has gone down, those Bastards!!!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Does all this comparison of presidential unemployment include normalization to account for the changes in the definition of how unemployment is calculated since Obama took office?

I'm speaking to the seasonally adjusted numbers being calculated annually in the past, changed to monthly since about mid-Obama first term, and the labor department not releasing the revised figures until the next year. Or that the BLS adds 50k jobs each month to the report and has since the 90's.

[Latrinsorm]

I admit that the rate has gone down at a steady pace. Then again, it's hard to not go down when it's so fucking high.

Tell that to Hoover.

His "Shovel Ready Jobs" didn't do shit for it though. Actually, it wasn't until Repubs took the house that we saw the sharpest decline. So once again, it's all due to the Republicans. It's their fault the Unemployment rate has gone down, those Bastards!!!

What happened to 2010-14 is all his fault?

I'm speaking to the seasonally adjusted numbers being calculated annually in the past, changed to monthly since about mid-Obama first term, and the labor department not releasing the revised figures until the next year. Or that the BLS adds 50k jobs each month to the report and has since the 90's.

I can't speak to what values you saw, but unemployment by month is available as far back as 1948.