More Obamacare fuckups

[Thondalar]

That and if you were around you might have a gun and stop me. But if there is no jail and there is no you or a gun, hell yeah I would be stealing cars. It would be a victimless crime, because your insurance would just pay you back.

Glad to know you're morally challenged.

It most certainly would not be a victimless crime...whether I got a check from the insurance company or not, it would still cost me time and money. Are you going to take the things out of the glove box, center console, back seat, and trunk and just take the car? Would still be a pain in the ass to get a new one.

[cwolff]

Oh, it exists. If previously uninsured people can now be covered and "afford" their insurance, who am I being forced to subsidize? You said this was the reason for the mandate. Is it not now? Since when is touting individual liberties tortured reasoning?

We don't know you are subsidizing anyone. You sound like a deadbeat who doesn't have insurance or pay taxes.

This concept you're hung up on is not obscure or hard to comprehend. The fact that you can't understand it makes me think you don't have an extra 750k that you're not doing anything with.

[Buckwheet]

So then we agree that if everyone has a gun we don't need government. Glad that's settled.

I never disagree with everyone having a gun. I carry one myself, however we would still need a government if for nothing other than to classify, but not enforce, what constitutes a crime.

[Buckwheet]

Glad to know you're morally challenged.

It most certainly would not be a victimless crime...whether I got a check from the insurance company or not, it would still cost me time and money. Are you going to take the things out of the glove box, center console, back seat, and trunk and just take the car? Would still be a pain in the ass to get a new one.

Read up on what a victimless crime is. Identity theft is considered a victimless crime yet that costs you shit load more time and money(in relation to time=money and possibly loans and not getting them) than a car theft does. Maybe I would be that considerate I suppose. Keep in mind I am not morally challenged. You are the one who removed the condition of it not being a punishable crime.

Having sex with someone before you are married is not a crime, nor do I consider it a moral hazard. If that was "illegal" and punishable by prison time, I suspect I would have a different opinion on the matter.

[Wrathbringer]

We don't know you are subsidizing anyone. You sound like a deadbeat who doesn't have insurance or pay taxes.

This concept you're hung up on is not obscure or hard to comprehend. The fact that you can't understand it makes me think you don't have an extra 750k that you're not doing anything with.

Just answer the question. If we don't know that I'm subsidizing anyone, then why the mandate? Again, you just said this was the reason for the mandate. If you're not going to stay on topic, don't bother answering. Personal attacks are the sign of a lost argument.

[Tgo01]

You're just overly sensitive to the argument against being uninsured. There's no ifs, ands, or buts. We're all better off with more people insured. It's as simple as that.

We are better off with a system that doesn't give so much power to insurance companies. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Ya it is ironic. The party that should love the individual mandate is the party that's opposed to it.

I thought the ironic part was Democrats should be pushing for socialized healthcare but instead are fighting for big corporations to get more and more money.

I've known this all along. Why didn't you?

When did I say I didn't know this all along? Face it, Team O has been demonizing the uninsured from the beginning. "Look at all of the medical bills an individual can rack up if they lack insurance!" Come on man. If you don't see that as blaming the uninsured then I don't know what to say.

Before you said that ACA is useless because people aren't going to pay their bills. Now you're saying that even the uninsured makes efforts to pay their bills. Depending on which side you're arguing on a day to day basis you flip flop.

I think I see the problem here, your memory is going.

I said most uninsured make an effort to pay their bills, I didn't say all uninsured pay all of their bills. How you got that from anything I have said is nothing short of amazing. I think one of the links I posted said on average uninsured pay something like 20-30% of their medical bills. To me that's making an effort, not the same thing as paying all of their bills. It's a complete 180 from people who say things like:

Are you insured now or are you just fucking the US taxpayer bareback?

Trying to imply that people who aren't insured are just a bunch of parasites who don't pay their bills.

As far as my earlier argument that people aren't going to pay their bills that was in response (pretty sure to you) that Obamacare would solve the problem of people not paying their medical bills because they will be forced to have health insurance. All I was saying in response to that is if people weren't paying their bills before Obamacare there is nothing about Obamacare that will ensure people will pay their bills after Obamacare.

[Thondalar]

Read up on what a victimless crime is. Identity theft is considered a victimless crime yet that costs you shit load more time and money(in relation to time=money and possibly loans and not getting them) than a car theft does. Maybe I would be that considerate I suppose. Keep in mind I am not morally challenged. You are the one who removed the condition of it not being a punishable crime.

Having sex with someone before you are married is not a crime, nor do I consider it a moral hazard. If that was "illegal" and punishable by prison time, I suspect I would have a different opinion on the matter.

Identity theft is considered a victimless crime? By who?

[cwolff]

Just answer the question. If we don't know that I'm subsidizing anyone, then why the mandate? Again, you just said this was the reason for the mandate. If you're not going to stay on topic, don't bother answering. Personal attacks are the sign of a lost argument.

Figure it out dude. You've got a lot of energy to rail against Tyranny, "Obummer" and IRS theft without making any sense. Take some of that energy and do some self education. It's not hard to understand, just take some time to learn.

[Buckwheet]

Identity theft is considered a victimless crime? By who?

Just about every minor law enforcement agency in the country. Call your local police station and ask them how they police someone stealing your information, opening a credit card account and using it online, in Singapore.

How do I know? Because in 2007 it happened to me and nobody did anything to help me out and I still get calls from creditors to this day and in fact was declined a refinance just this past August because it showed up again. It took several weeks to get it cleared up and this also meant the rates went higher(costing me money and time).

[Gelston]

Just about every minor law enforcement agency in the country. Call your local police station and ask them how they police someone stealing your information, opening a credit card account and using it online, in Singapore.

That is because you are supposed to contact http://www.justice.gov/criminal/frau...s/idtheft.html and the FTC if it is across state/international lines.