Dumb things conservatives say:

[Gelston]

Now, was it fun coming up with that list after I stated my reason not being related to scandals or corruption?

[Tgo01]

Now, was it fun coming up with that list after I stated my reason not being related to scandals or corruption?

It's Latrin, he would find statistics on the drying times of different colored paints fun.

[Thondalar]

It's called the Constitution, maybe you've heard of it? And it's perfect exactly the way it was written.

Yep! It says Senators are to be appointed by State Legislatures...if we actually did this I don't think the term limits would be necessary. But we don't, so. I would also not be at all opposed to an amendment to the Constitution forcing term limits. As I've stated in previous posts, I do believe that properly ratified amendments become part of the document. Congress and the SCOTUS deliberately circumventing it is what I'm against.

Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, John Adams...

But as you know, like any good libtard I have personally fished the keys to various Founders' graves from the Potomac so I could spit directly in their faces, so let's try objective facts instead. What are the percentages of corruption (accused, then convicted) relative to time served in the Congress?

Hmm...Thomas Jefferson was a Lawyer who only became a politician during the Revolutionary War. He was elected to the Virginia House of Delegates and then Governor of Virginia, during the war. After the war he was appointed to the Continental Congress. After a 2-year stint there he was appointed Minister to France. After that he was appointed Secretary of State. Vice President and President he did on his own, though.

John Jay was a Lawyer who also got into politics during the Revolution, but took a slightly different path than Jefferson...although President of the Continental Congress, that position didn't really mean anything...more of an honorific. Though briefly in the New York Congress and Minister to Spain, He spent most of his time as a Judge, either with the New York Supreme Court, or eventually the US Supreme Court, being appointed there by the OG. (Original George)

John Adams...gee, another lawyer, again entering politics due to the events leading up to and during the Revolutionary war...was a member of the Continental Congress from 1774 to 1777, but spent most of the time after that as an appointed diplomat to various nations...including Jolly Old England itself in 1785. He spent a couple years there before returning to the States and being elected Vice President, and then President. After failing in his reelection campaign he retired to private life.

Which one of these men sat in the same seat in Congress for 30 years serving no function other than making sure they got reelected again?

[Latrinsorm]

It's Latrin, he would find statistics on the drying times of different colored paints fun.

Do you have any???

Yep! It says Senators are to be appointed by State Legislatures...if we actually did this I don't think the term limits would be necessary. But we don't, so. I would also not be at all opposed to an amendment to the Constitution forcing term limits. As I've stated in previous posts, I do believe that properly ratified amendments become part of the document.

So the Constitution should be literally interpreted but Amendments contradicting it should also be literally interpreted but not the 17th. Brother, it kind of sounds like you aren't for literal interpretation at all.

Thomas Jefferson was a Lawyer who only became a politician during the Revolutionary War.

At the age of 32. The youngest Congressperson today is only 29, although in a clear sign of conspiracy the youngest Senator and Representative are both named Murphy. I warned you guys we couldn't trust those Papists, now look what your carelessness has wrought.

Which one of these men sat in the same seat in Congress for 30 years serving no function other than making sure they got reelected again?

I naively assumed that "career politician" meant "someone whose career was in politics". I see now it means "a politician whose service Thondizzo does not find worthwhile for any number of as yet unspecified reasons", although in my defense we could have saved some time by being upfront about this in the first place.

[Warriorbird]

I'm still not getting how more easily influenced politicians is a good thing. It becomes puppet of the year.

[Gelston]

I'm still not getting how more easily influenced politicians is a good thing. It becomes puppet of the year.

I'm not getting how they are more easily influenced.

[Warriorbird]

I'm not getting how they are more easily influenced.

Is that not almost immediately obvious?

To accomplish anything, they need pull, and who is ready and willing to provide that? To win a race, they need a tremendous amount of financing. Who provides that? They also will want a strategy to provide future reward, because they're human. Lobbying slots and working with a major corporation/law firm do an excellent job of forwarding that.

[Latrinsorm]

I'm not getting how they are more easily influenced.

If your job can be Congressman for the next 20 years, why do you need someone else to give you a job?

If you need to quit your job to be in Congress for 4 years and then need to find a job after that, wouldn't you be very strongly inclined to have one hand wash the other?

[Gelston]

Is that not almost immediately obvious?

To accomplish anything, they need pull, and who is ready and willing to provide that? To win a race, they need a tremendous amount of financing. Who provides that? They also will want a strategy to provide future reward, because they're human. Lobbying slots and working with a major corporation/law firm do an excellent job of forwarding that.

Everyone would have the same pull as anyone else. And for the House, there would be no elections. They would be selected much like a jury. For the Senate, they'd only have two elections, their first and their second as they'd only have two five year terms. As far as that "strategy to provide future reward" I don't see how it could be any different then it is now. Heck, it might be less seeing lobbying would be a pretty full job market.

I think it is better to have more fresh faces in Congress more often.

[Thondalar]

And that's basically what it boils down to. I prefer government by the people; others prefer to support the New Monarchy.

I thought we already won this war?