Things that made you laugh today (Political Version)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Vigilante justice is not real justice.

Disagree.

[Gelston]

I am against murder, yes. I assume you are referring to Gary Plauche. As a father I can sympathize with that man, but that doesn’t justify his actions of taking the law into his own hands & murdering that person in the airport. Only God can judge on the morality of that situation, but he should have and did face legal consequences. Vigilante justice is not real justice.

Oh, it is real justice. It might not be legal, but it isn't fake.

[Suppressed Poet]

Disagree.

Vigilante justice is revenge.

A foundation of justice is that it is blind (impartial). If you remove the core pillar, you don’t have justice.

Let’s take another example, the George Floyd murder and its aftermath. Some people, as you know, will say that the violent actions of protesters/ rioters are justified. You and I would agree that it is not.

The moment you begin to allow people to take the law into their own hand is the moment you give into mob rule. You want our society to devolve into something resembling The Reign of Terror (post revolutionary France)?

[Suppressed Poet]

Oh, it is real justice. It might not be legal, but it isn't fake.

Short video from the film Hateful Eight that explains difference. I say it isn’t real justice because the key element of impartialness is removed, and that makes it vengeance. Great Christmas movie by the way.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Vigilante justice is revenge.

A foundation of justice is that it is blind (impartial). If you remove the core pillar, you don’t have justice.

Let’s take another example, the George Floyd murder and its aftermath. Some people, as you know, will say that the violent actions of protesters/ rioters are justified. You and I would agree that it is not.

The moment you begin to allow people to take the law into their own hand is the moment you give into mob rule. You want our society to devolve into something resembling The Reign of Terror (post revolutionary France)?

Justice is revenge, prove me wrong.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'll go a little further to show I'm not trolling. Justice is simply a "civilized" form of revenge, institutionalized to maintain order. Friedrich Nietzsche, for example, suggested that societal justice emerged from the same instinct as revenge but was tempered by collective interests.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'll go a little further to show I'm not trolling. Justice is simply a "civilized" form of revenge, institutionalized to maintain order. Friedrich Nietzsche, for example, suggested that societal justice emerged from the same instinct as revenge but was tempered by collective interests.

Revenge is intended to inflict harm. Justice is intended to right wrongs.

Don’t you guys read the Batman comics or watch the films / animated series?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If I smoke a pedophile, I just righted a lot of wrongs.

[Suppressed Poet]

If I smoke a pedophile, I just righted a lot of wrongs.

I despise pedophiles just as much as you do, but let’s explore that.

Excluding self defense (preventing imminent & immediate serious bodily harm), smoking a pedophile would be murder & make you a murderer. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It’s not for you alone to decide a man’s fate or take his life. Civilization has law & order for good reason. I don’t feel like these are hard concepts or explaining why vigilantism is harmful to society is controversial.

A pedophile should stand trial and be severely punished for their crimes. Everyone, including the worst criminals, deserve and have a right to their day in court. I support the death penalty for sexual abuse of a child.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I don’t feel like these are hard concepts or explaining why vigilantism is harmful to society are controversial.

I don't. Some people deserve to die, and that is justice (going back to your original argument that justice and revenge are not the same thing).