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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet View Post
    I don’t think the action taken in Syria was enough of a deterrent. At least he finally did something now.

    I’m often critical about Biden, and will continue to be where I witness his incompetence, but one thing he did that I actually like and give him credit for…. When a reporter asked about Palestinian civilian casualties, Biden responded that he doesn’t trust that information given from the Palestinian side. I wish NY Times would take note.
    I wouldn’t trust shit from them either, like the hospital fiasco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    Well, are we at war? Did Congress issue a declaration of war? Do we have troops on the ground sent over to fight?
    Calling middle strikes, and US military troops dying overseas doesn’t mean war, shit happens all the time in every presidency in recent memory.
    Is a proxy war not a war? Are we not spending billions of taxpayer dollars on proxy wars that we weren't involved in until Biden came around? If not, then what are we spending all those billions on if it's not war? You know, like the one that's literally called "The war in Ukraine," for example? If that's not a war, then I'm gonna need you to spell out the definition of "war" for me.

    Maybe we can dumb it down a little more to hopefully squeeze an honest and non-milquetoast answer out of you...are we involved in wars that we weren't involved in before Biden?

    Perhaps we should just pull all of those proxy war funds until Congress officially "declares war." What do you think? Should we? Why or why not?

    What do your Russian pals think about things like how we're funding Ukraine? Are they still cheering you on for your emotionally charged "no more mean tweets" vote for Biden? Asking for Seran's mom.

    Stop being intentionally retarded just so you can miss the point on purpose and play semantics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    That’s why I also pointed out about troops on the ground. You can include large military operations etc etc. Biden and Trump have not done any of that.

    Sending aid, or supporting an ally does not mean we are at war. We’ve done absolutely zero military operations in Ukraine or in the Israel conflict.

    Now if Yemen or Iran do something to Israel, and we defend/help them with offensive military operations, then yes, we’d be at war.
    Ok, I can agree to that for both Ukraine and Israel at the moment. We’re very close to war by that definition and right up to the line without crossing it. It’s very much like some of our operations during the Cold War. We supported communist fighting nations and groups of people, trained them, gave them aid and military equipment, but outside of some select covert special ops we didn’t have troops in the fight. That may not be war, but that’s about as close as you can get to one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Methais View Post
    Is a proxy war not a war? Are we not spending billions of taxpayer dollars on proxy wars that we weren't involved in until Biden came around? If not, then what are we spending all those billions on if it's not war? You know, like the one that's literally called "The war in Ukraine," for example? If that's not a war, then I'm gonna need you to spell out the definition of "war" for me.

    Maybe we can dumb it down a little more to hopefully squeeze an honest and non-milquetoast answer out of you...are we involved in wars that we weren't involved in before Biden?

    Perhaps we should just pull all of those proxy war funds until Congress officially "declares war." What do you think? Should we? Why or why not?

    What do your Russian pals think about things like how we're funding Ukraine? Are they still cheering you on for your emotionally charged "no more mean tweets" vote for Biden? Asking for Seran's mom.

    Stop being intentionally retarded just so you can miss the point on purpose and play semantics.
    Is a proxy war, the same as a normal war? Can you tell me the differences? You sit there and try to claim that they’re the same thing when they’re not.

    And I do love how you keep bringing up my Russian friends, you only do that because you know you’re being a fucking idiot right now and every other time you bring it up, and you’re trying to pivot the subject to something else.

    You can literally call every single conflict going on in the world proxy war for us, and you could do the same for Trump. Since we support a side and a lot of times send aid as well. Trump maintained proxy wars, in Afghanistan and Syria against Russia. Blah blah! I guess he wasn’t so “peaceful”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet View Post
    Ok, I can agree to that for both Ukraine and Israel at the moment. We’re very close to war by that definition and right up to the line without crossing it. It’s very much like some of our operations during the Cold War. We supported communist fighting nations and groups of people, trained them, gave them aid and military equipment, but outside of some select covert special ops we didn’t have troops in the fight. That may not be war, but that’s about as close as you can get to one.
    100% agree, we are on the brink of a war in the Middle East, in Ukraine I don’t think so, both Russia and America, having nuclear weapons kind of stops that from happening.
    Last edited by Solkern; 10-27-2023 at 10:50 AM.
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    What we should do with Iran is bomb and annihilate that one port city they have where they export oil from, and then ramp up more severe economic sanctions. That would send the message we want to deliver. If they retaliate and want to go to war, fuck em…we’ll wipe them off the face of the map and make the world a better place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet View Post
    What we should do with Iran is bomb and annihilate that one port city they have where they export oil from, and then ramp up more severe economic sanctions. That would send the message we want to deliver. If they retaliate and want to go to war, fuck em…we’ll wipe them off the face of the map and make the world a better place.
    I think, if Iran does anything to Israel, we should do what you just said.
    Last edited by Solkern; 10-27-2023 at 10:51 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    I think if Iran, does anything to Israel, we should do what you just said.
    That Iranian bastard foreign minister spoke in NY and said “if genocide in Gaza continues, US will not be spared from the fire.” In New York…our home turf. Fuck Iran. I say we hit them now. We’re still pissed at the Islamic world and haven’t forgot about 9/11. Them are fighting words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet View Post
    I don’t think the action taken in Syria was enough of a deterrent. At least he finally did something now.

    I’m often critical about Biden, and will continue to be where I witness his incompetence, but one thing he did that I actually like and give him credit for…. When a reporter asked about Palestinian civilian casualties, Biden responded that he doesn’t trust that information given from the Palestinian side. I wish NY Times would take note.
    You don't think missile strikes that wipe out terrorists, their camps, and armaments is a deterrent to their activities? Life isn't a video game, human beings don't have respawn timers and re-armament takes time. So everytime we've wiped out their camps and people, significant blows were struck against their ability to do harm. I respect that you're willing to nod approvingly at his action, I just wish that the side you represent spent less time trying to find reasons for being upset and more time being proud of the safety, security, and freedom that is too often taken for granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet View Post
    That Iranian bastard foreign minister spoke in NY and said “if genocide in Gaza continues, US will not be spared from the fire.” In New York…our home turf. Fuck Iran. I say we hit them now. We’re still pissed at the Islamic world and haven’t forgot about 9/11. Them are fighting words.
    Russia, China, North Korea and many other countries talk shit like that all the time. I’d prefer to wait for more than words. Because their words are just to shore up their domestic base, and not an actual threat imo.
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