US Oil Producers Fail to Produce

[Stanley Burrell]

I can't seem to find this, but listen:

I swear, there was a whole hubbub about cars ...in the year; maybe, like, I want to say 2040???...That the MPG would have to be at least 46, or something to that effect? Was this just political posturing or is it for realz0rz?

O.K., good post.

[Stanley Burrell]

I've had really bad insomnia and I can't tell if I'm making this shit up or not

[Bhaalizmo]

I've had really bad insomnia and I can't tell if I'm making this shit up or not

This shit is for reals.

[Tgo01]

I swear, there was a whole hubbub about cars ...in the year; maybe, like, I want to say 2040???...That the MPG would have to be at least 46, or something to that effect? Was this just political posturing or is it for realz0rz?

It's possible 46 is what the government has mandated, but those rules are largely useless. It's not a minimum PER CAR, it's the average of the entire automaker's fleet.

So if an automaker has a huge tank of an SUV that gets 10 MPG, and a small car that gets 30 MPG, then their entire fleet average is 20 MPG. Throw in a tiny electric car that no one buys and they can really bump up their fleet average MPG.

[Gelston]

It's possible 46 is what the government has mandated, but those rules are largely useless. It's not a minimum PER CAR, it's the average of the entire automaker's fleet.

So if an automaker has a huge tank of an SUV that gets 10 MPG, and a small car that gets 30 MPG, then their entire fleet average is 20 MPG. Throw in a tiny electric car that no one buys and they can really bump up their fleet average MPG.

The end net result is still a higher MPG requirement.

[Tgo01]

The end net result is still a higher MPG requirement.

Possibly, depends if they boost their average with electric vehicles.

But these mandates are misleading because it makes people think they will be able to buy a much more fuel efficient vehicle in a few years, yet in the 50's cars were getting about 15 MPG and nowadays they are getting about 24, that hasn't even doubled in the past 70 years, much less is it going to double in the next 20. The average vehicle MPG has gone up a whopping 5 MPG since the 50's.

[Gelston]

Possibly, depends if they boost their average with electric vehicles.

But these mandates are misleading because it makes people think they will be able to buy a much more fuel efficient vehicle in a few years, yet in the 50's cars were getting about 15 MPG and nowadays they are getting about 24, that hasn't even doubled in the past 70 years, much less is it going to double in the next 20. The average vehicle MPG has gone up a whopping 5 MPG since the 50's.

Boosting it with Electric vehicles is still a higher gasoline efficient fleet.

[Tgo01]

Boosting it with Electric vehicles is still a higher gasoline efficient fleet.

My bad, I misread your other post as it will result in higher MPG vehicles. You are right, electric vehicles would boost the average MPG of their fleet, but it won't necessarily mean more fuel efficient vehicles, at least not necessarily a huge boost.

[Gelston]

My bad, I misread your other post as it will result in higher MPG vehicles. You are right, electric vehicles would boost the average MPG of their fleet, but it won't necessarily mean more fuel efficient vehicles, at least not necessarily a huge boost.

You are aware of how Fleet MPG is calculated right? It makes it very, very hard to hit the goals if you're using low MPG vehicles a lot.

[Tgo01]

You are aware of how Fleet MPG is calculated right? It makes it very, very hard to hit the goals if you're using low MPG vehicles a lot.

So they can dump their low MPG vehicles from their fleets, create vehicles which use alternative fuels to get an artificial boost to their average, create electric vehicles which get 200+ MPG equivalent, and use credits from prior years where they exceeded the minimum to use towards the future where they don't meet the required minimum, all of which doesn't make cars more fuel efficient. Or car makers can just pay the penalty for not achieving the minimum standard, which some automakers do.

Like I said it's a misleading requirement.