Michigan DA politicizing school shooting tragedy by charging parents

[Tgo01]

Seran seems to be forgetting that this is at least the second red flag that the school was aware of, the first being him Googling bullets while at school, the second being the drawing.

If the school really felt he was a threat to himself or others to the point where they bring the parents in immediately after seeing his drawing and recommending he see a professional within 72 hours then every adult at the school who had a hand in this is just as guilty as the parents.

Again unless the DA pulls evidence out of her ass that the parents knew more than the school did and kept it a secret, but that seems unlikely unless the parents turn on one another for a plea deal.

You don't think throwing shade at a district attorney for politicizing a tragedy by charging a kid with terrorism isn't playing the right winger card a little hard?

Honestly do you even know what a charge of terrorism entails? I'm assuming not. You once again seem way over your head and don't understand the things you are arguing.

[Seran]

He most certainly is a murderer, no argument there. For whatever reason you’re giving the school a free pass as there were several things that should, and legally could, have occurred. First and foremost, keep the kid in the office where any potential harm is largely mitigated to adults.

So you're saying the kid, who couldn't be disciplined, could be held in the principles office for the rest of the day after the parents fucked off? Naaah, not in Michigan.

Second, search the kid, his belongings and his locker, if he has one. Turns out they could have expelled him had they done that.

Wrong again. In Michigan, you must have reasonable suspicion as a student official to search a student's backpack. Point out to me where the child who wasn't being fiscppined, presented reasonable suspicion he had a weapon on him? Then think, school probably didn't even know the kid owned or hard access to a firearm. Parents knew, mommy even bragged about buying him one. Shouldn't /she/ have checked?

Third, assign the kid to online classes. If the parents refuse to take him at that point, call CPS as been abandoned by his custodians and is a dependent child. Fourth, summon the SRO and have him transport the kid to the local hospital for a 1036 psychiatric hold.

Already pointed out by the school board that at the point the kid didn't do anything that warranted discipline. School wasn't aware of a weapon being owned, but was doing its diligence by ordered immediate counseling.

Show me where they had the authority to suspend him and order him off campus to do home schooling. Cuz apparently the superintendent was wrong and you have knowledge why.

[Tgo01]

Wrong again. In Michigan, you must have reasonable suspicion as a student official to search a student's backpack.

A teacher saw him Googling bullets on his cellphone and they called in his parents because he drew something with a gun that the school thought was threatening towards other students. How much fucking more "reasonable suspicion" do you think a school official needs in order to search a student's backpack before allowing him to go back to class?

You think the school needs to wait until the child literally says "I HAVE A GUN IN MY BACKPACK!" before they can search him?

Again stop Seraning up this discussion already.

[~Rocktar~]

Didn't a school suspend a kid for making a gun out of a poptart and that stuck? Couldn't they call the cops as an imminent danger to himself or others and they have to come do like a wellness check or some shit? FFS they can expel people over facebook posts and they couldn't or wouldn't do anything about this?

But hey, we don't want common sense child protection like metal detectors, cops in schools, armed teachers and so on cause that would hurt people's fee fees.

[Sighisoara]

So you're saying the kid, who couldn't be disciplined, could be held in the principles office for the rest of the day after the parents fucked off? Naaah, not in Michigan.



Wrong again. In Michigan, you must have reasonable suspicion as a student official to search a student's backpack. Point out to me where the child who wasn't being fiscppined, presented reasonable suspicion he had a weapon on him? Then think, school probably didn't even know the kid owned or hard access to a firearm. Parents knew, mommy even bragged about buying him one. Shouldn't /she/ have checked?



Already pointed out by the school board that at the point the kid didn't do anything that warranted discipline. School wasn't aware of a weapon being owned, but was doing its diligence by ordered immediate counseling.

Show me where they had the authority to suspend him and order him off campus to do home schooling. Cuz apparently the superintendent was wrong and you have knowledge why.

Why does it have to be suspicion of a gun? The objective evidence is that the kid made general, non-specific threats and was undergoing a mental health crisis. That’s reasonable suspicion to search (whether it be for weapons, drugs or what have you). If you don’t think that’s reasonable, take me to court if I’m the principal, either way I’m conducting the search.

Obviously I don’t have this particular school district’s policies in hand. As a general, nationwide rule, principals in their capacity as stewards of the campus have the authority to assign students and staff as they see fit. The same is true for superintendents as it applies to the assignment of particular schools and programs. So, why don’t you show me where they don’t have this authority.

[Tgo01]

But hey, we don't want common sense child protection like metal detectors, cops in schools, armed teachers and so on cause that would hurt people's fee fees.

That's what pisses me off the most about this DA immediately politicizing this tragedy.

Let's just for a minute pretend Seran is right (I know I'm having trouble keeping a straight face as I type this) and that the school didn't have the necessary reasonable suspicion to search the shooter's backpack, then we should be demanding congress and each and every single state government give school officials the right to search a student's backpack if the student is drawing threatening images during school. Push the government to force this to go all the way up to the supreme court if necessary. Do something!

But no. Shitbird Democrats like Seran don't really care about children dying in school, they just want to use these tragedies to push their gun grabbing agenda.

[Sighisoara]

So you're saying the kid, who couldn't be disciplined, could be held in the principles office for the rest of the day after the parents fucked off? Naaah, not in Michigan.



Wrong again. In Michigan, you must have reasonable suspicion as a student official to search a student's backpack. Point out to me where the child who wasn't being fiscppined, presented reasonable suspicion he had a weapon on him? Then think, school probably didn't even know the kid owned or hard access to a firearm. Parents knew, mommy even bragged about buying him one. Shouldn't /she/ have checked?



Already pointed out by the school board that at the point the kid didn't do anything that warranted discipline. School wasn't aware of a weapon being owned, but was doing its diligence by ordered immediate counseling.

Show me where they had the authority to suspend him and order him off campus to do home schooling. Cuz apparently the superintendent was wrong and you have knowledge why.

Also, you keep using the term suspension and discipline. The assignment to online classes is neither. It’s no different than saying a kid is assigned to online classes because he has to quarantine for COVID exposure.

[Tgo01]

Also, you keep using the term suspension and discipline. The assignment to online classes is neither. It’s no different than saying a kid is assigned to online classes because he has to quarantine for COVID exposure.

Shit at my high school they would literally assign troublemakers to the "other" school and it was well known the "other" school was for the deviants and troublemakers and they were sent there to be pushed through the school system so the school district didn't have to deal with them anymore.

Some students were also assigned to an after school class which was basically just showing up to school for an hour a week to talk with a teacher, get your new assignments, and go over the previous week's assignments. These classes were usually for students who weren't showing up to class or weren't doing well in school so the district sent them to these classes to once again have the students pushed through the system so the school could be done with them.

[Sighisoara]

Shit at my high school they would literally assign troublemakers to the "other" school and it was well known the "other" school was for the deviants and troublemakers and they were sent there to be pushed through the school system so the school district didn't have to deal with them anymore.

Some students were also assigned to an after school class which was basically just showing up to school for an hour a week to talk with a teacher, get your new assignments, and go over the previous week's assignments. These classes were usually for students who weren't showing up to class or weren't doing well in school so the district sent them to these classes to once again have the students pushed through the system so the school could be done with them.

Apparently you weren’t in Michigan. According to Seran, that’s illegal.

[Seran]

Why does it have to be suspicion of a gun? The objective evidence is that the kid made general, non-specific threats and was undergoing a mental health crisis. That’s reasonable suspicion to search (whether it be for weapons, drugs or what have you). If you don’t think that’s reasonable, take me to court if I’m the principal, either way I’m conducting the search.

Obviously I don’t have this particular school district’s policies in hand. As a general, nationwide rule, principals in their capacity as stewards of the campus have the authority to assign students and staff as they see fit. The same is true for superintendents as it applies to the assignment of particular schools and programs. So, why don’t you show me where they don’t have this authority.

This summarizes it pretty well.

https://massp.com/considerations-for...udent-searches

Pursuant to Michigan Code 380.1306, only locker searches are permitted as they are the property of the school district.

Tldr version, a search of a student's belongings is a violation of the fourth amendment right to privacy. Lockers belonging to the school are exempt as they own the facility. Only law enforcement has the right to conduct a warrantless search and only of reasonable suspicion exists.