Taliban taking over Afghanistan

[Tgo01]

Nope. Every Admin from Bush to now has a piece of the pie.

Somehow Bush is responsible for this colossal fuck up of a withdraw? Give me a break.

[Shaps]

And is it only begging when Biden makes a deal with the Taliban or not?

When doing it from a position of weakness, yes.

It's the fact that the Biden Administration cut off talks 2-3 months ago that is the issue. Those were negotiations. The current situation is, to use your terms, "begging".

This situation never needed to occur if they'd kept "negotiating". It now has, and they are "begging" (again your term). How I see it at least.

And again, the biggest issue is our politicians being so beholden to "Party". It taints their decision making so thoroughly that situations like this occur.

[Solkern]

Because you've proven you so desperately want to have an honest discussion. Fuck you. Remember fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...you can't be fooled again.

And yeah say whatever dumb shit like "LOL! That's what I thought." You win da internetz!

Quite typical of you, You make a claim, when someone asks you for evidence to support your claim, you just deflect, deflect, deflect.

You said Biden made a new deal, can you provide a link to that new deal? But I’m going to assume you were just talking out of your ass, like usual.

[Gelston]

When doing it from a position of weakness, yes.

It's the fact that the Biden Administration cut off talks 2-3 months ago that is the issue. Those were negotiations. The current situation is, to use your terms, "begging".

This situation never needed to occur if they'd kept "negotiating". It now has, and they are "begging" (again your term). How I see it at least.

rofl wut? You think Trump did it from a position of power?

And no, "begging" was Tgo's term.

[Ashliana]

Nope. Every Admin from Bush to now has a piece of the pie.

Somehow Bush is responsible for this colossal fuck up of a withdraw? Give me a break.

Bush is absolutely responsible for getting the US into an unwinnable war with no exit strategy. He isn't responsible for Biden's mistakes on aspects of the withdrawal.

People who aren't in your cult are capable of placing blame everywhere it's due instead of having a seizure and going:

[Gelston]

Somehow Bush is responsible for this colossal fuck up of a withdraw? Give me a break.

We wouldn't be there is the first place without George W. Bush putting us there... so... Yeah.

[Shaps]

rofl wut? You think Trump did it from a position of power?

And no, "begging" was Tgo's term.

Yes, I do. They were at least condition's based negotiations.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-...fghanistan-war - March 2020.

Biden gets elected and scrapped it all. Because he had to "do it his way". Because anything with Trump's name on it "had to be destroyed"... all because "Orange man bad". Again.. "Party" over the "People".

This isn't rocket science. Plenty of blame to go around for 20+ years. As stated, my personal opinion we should have left after Osama was killed. But this situation, and how it's unfolded is squarely on this Administration.

[Gelston]

Yes, I do. They were at least condition's based negotiations.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-...fghanistan-war - March 2020.

Biden gets elected and scrapped it all. Because he had to "do it his way". Because anything with Trump's name on it "had to be destroyed"... all because "Orange man bad". Again.. "Party" over the "People".

This isn't rocket science. Plenty of blame to go around for 20+ years. As stated, my personal opinion we should have left after Osama was killed. But this situation, and how it's unfolded is squarely on this Administration.

And again, no one on these forums know what the Biden Admin and the Taliban have talked about.

[Tgo01]

rofl wut? You think Trump did it from a position of power?

And no, "begging" was Tgo's term.

When it comes to evacuating Americans yes, I would use the term "beg" in this instance. Why are we asking Taliban for permission to evacuate our own US citizens? Why aren't we going in to rescue US citizens?

We wouldn't be there is the first place without George W. Bush putting us there... so... Yeah.

Which is why I said we can blame a lot of shit on the past three presidents but this debacle of a withdraw is all on Biden.

He negotiated this withdraw.

He was the one who has now admitted he knew the Taliban would control the country within 3-4 months after we withdrew our troops yet he didn't evacuate US citizens ahead of time.

He was the one who decided to close all military airbases instead of keeping them open to help with evacuations.

He was the one who forced us to use one airport in the most populated city in the entire country to rely on us evacuating US citizens.

He was the one who ghoulishly told us to not worry about an Afghan falling to his death after clinging to a US plane because that was 4 days ago, fat!

[Tgo01]

And again, no one on these forums know what the Biden Admin and the Taliban have talked about.

What does it matter? We can see it unfolding in real time how those negotiations or lack of negotiations went.

We controlled the security of the country just a few weeks ago, why we wouldn't be demanding everything from the Taliban in exchange for our withdraw is nothing short of mind boggling. Either Biden is so incompetent he negotiated a weak deal even though he was negotiating from a position of power (the US military staying there and thus the Taliban can't take control), or the Taliban made a deal and said "Fuck you!" afterwards and Biden is now reduced to begging them to allow us to evacuate our own citizens.

Either way Biden doesn't come out of this looking good.

I'm just surprised Biden didn't challenge the Taliban to a push up contest to see who could control the Afghan government.