Portland.

[Tgo01]

So does the word "racist" bear weight, or not? I need a verdict here.

That's the thing; the same group that has watered down the word to mean nothing are also the ones who think every accusation of racism should not only be believed at face value (as long as it comes from this same group) but they also want the consequences to remain the same. I wouldn't care about these accusations if they didn't have a real world impact.

Look at that one NBA announcer who lost his job after like 20 years because he said "All lives matter" because that term is also somehow racist. It's nuts.

Becoming aware of implicit biases allows you to change your thinking or behavior in a way that's less harmful, both individually and (ultimately) systemically.

If you're aware you're doing it then isn't that an explicit bias?

There aren't different words for different "degrees" of racist, which is unfortunate... that's why context matters.

Exactly, because you're either racist or you're not racist. You either treat people differently based on race/think one race is superior than others, or you don't. You're not "sort of" racist, you either are or aren't.

It all good though, because some dictionaries have promised to "redefine" racism to better encompass modern day usage of it so I can't wait to see what definitions they come up with.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...622765568?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...820099075?s=20

Mostly peaceful protests. What a joke.

[FlayedAngel]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...622765568?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...820099075?s=20

Mostly peaceful protests. What a joke.

Yeah, that poor wall.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, that poor wall.

Ah ha, so you don't consider property damage to be violent.

Also that poor photographer.

[Bobmuhthol]

Ah ha, so you don't consider property damage to be violent.

And neither does the government.

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/crimes/violent-crime

[FlayedAngel]

That's the thing; the same group that has watered down the word to mean nothing are also the ones who think every accusation of racism should not only be believed at face value (as long as it comes from this same group) but they also want the consequences to remain the same. I wouldn't care about these accusations if they didn't have a real world impact.

Look at that one NBA announcer who lost his job after like 20 years because he said "All lives matter" because that term is also somehow racist. It's nuts.

The same "group" meaning what? You constantly complain about stereotyping while gleefully engaging in it.

If you're aware you're doing it then isn't that an explicit bias?

Yes, that transference is what I just explained.

Exactly, because you're either racist or you're not racist. You either treat people differently based on race/think one race is superior than others, or you don't. You're not "sort of" racist, you either are or aren't.

It all good though, because some dictionaries have promised to "redefine" racism to better encompass modern day usage of it so I can't wait to see what definitions they come up with.

Except that position is flagrantly reductive, as I just illustrated; doubling-down doesn't somehow magically make it correct. That's a weak and evasive defense.

[FlayedAngel]

Ah ha, so you don't consider property damage to be violent.

Also that poor photographer.

That's not an "ah ha", you do know what antagonize means... yes?

Ah ha, so you think all photographers are natural victims.

[Tgo01]

And neither does the government.

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/crimes/violent-crime

Weird, I don't remember qualifying that statement as "violent CRIME."

From OED:

violence: The exercise of physical force so as to inflict injury on, or cause damage to, persons or property; action or conduct characterized by this; treatment or usage tending to cause bodily injury or forcibly interfering with personal freedom.

[Tgo01]

The same "group" meaning what? You constantly complain about stereotyping while gleefully engaging in it.

I didn't even mention a group so how am I stereotyping anyone?

Yes, that transference is what I just explained.

But the idea of implicit bias is you're not aware you're doing it.

So you know you don't have any racist tendencies, but someone else is going to come along and say you do have racist tendencies you just don't know you're doing it, this person is then going to point out all of your racist tendencies, and by pointing them out you are now aware of your previously unknown racist tendencies and now you can fix these racist tendencies? Or perhaps it's all just bullshit. I'm going with the latter.

Except that position is flagrantly reductive, as I just illustrated; doubling-down doesn't somehow magically make it correct. That's a weak and evasive defense.

It's not reductive, that is literally the definition of the word.

Racist is a binary thing, just like the state of being pregnant.

Explain to me how someone is just "a little bit" racist compared to someone who is "a lot" racist. I of course mean the traditional use of the word racist, not the modern usage of the word where saying "All Lives Matter" or being against illegal immigration are examples of "racist" behavior.

[Tgo01]

That's not an "ah ha", you do know what antagonize means... yes?

Ah ha, so you think all photographers are natural victims.

Wait, are you suggesting the courthouse or the photographer was antagonizing those peaceful protesters? Or both?