Russia Investigation Heating Up

[Androidpk]

Is Mueller fired?

No, because the order wasn't followed through with. Just because the act wasn't carried out doesn't change anything.

[Gelston]

No, because the order wasn't followed through with. Just because the act wasn't carried out doesn't change anything.

I imagine if Trump ordered Mueller to be fired, he'd be fired. I'm sure he wanted him fired, he even made the case as to why to McGahn, but McGahn didn't feel there was a case, so he backed off.... You know, because his Counsel advised him. Wanting to fire someone, but ultimately not doing it, is not obstruction in anyway.

[Androidpk]

I imagine if Trump ordered Mueller to be fired, he'd be fired. I'm sure he wanted him fired, he even made the case as to why to McGahn, but McGahn didn't feel there was a case, so he backed off.... You know, because his Counsel advised him. Wanting to fire someone, but ultimately not doing it, is not obstruction in anyway.

WASHINGTON — President Trump ordered the firing last June of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the Russia investigation, according to four people told of the matter, but ultimately backed down after the White House counsel threatened to resign rather than carry out the directive.

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Notice the bolded part. Trump didn't inquire about firing Mueller, he ordered it, and the order was refused, with WH counsel saying they'd resign, making Trump back down.

[Gelston]

Yes, a webzine said Trump ordered something. Big whoop. I bet the conversation happened like this

Trump: I'm going to fire Mueller
McGahn: That'd be a bad idea.
Trump: No, he is gone call him up.
McGahn: You shouldn't do this.
Trump: No, he has a conflict of interest. Get him on the line.
McGahn: Mr President, you hired me to be your Counsel. Take my counsel, otherwise I don't know what I'm doing here and I'll go.
Trump: Okay, okay, you made your point. I won't fire him.
McGahn: The Guggeinheim is offering us a golden toilet.
Trump: Score.

And also, there isn't any obstruction. Nothing happened. Mueller wasn't fired. No one told him he was fired. He wasn't effected in anyway.

[Androidpk]

The New York Times is a webzine?

[Gelston]

The New York Times is a webzine?

I knew that is all you'd get from that. Either that or the toilet.

[Androidpk]

Also, obstruction of justice does not need to be successful in order to be considered obstruction of justice. Trump asking Comey to drop the investigation on Flynn was obstruction of justice even though the FBI didn't drop its investigation against Flynn. Take some courses on government, noob.

[Androidpk]

You can bet Mueller will be interviewing McGahn if he already hasn't.

[Gelston]

Also, obstruction of justice does not need to be successful in order to be considered obstruction of justice. Trump asking Comey to drop the investigation on Flynn was obstruction of justice even though the FBI didn't drop its investigation against Flynn. Take some courses on government, noob.

Except that nothing that Trump did involving this supposed order had any effect on Mueller or the investigation in anyway.

You can bet Mueller will be interviewing McGahn if he already hasn't.

On what grounds? Because he talked Trump out of firing him? That would make it a conflict of interest for sure.

[Androidpk]

Doesn't matter.