Trump Bans Transgenders from the Military

[Neveragain]

There are five chromosomal variations of X and Y in humans not two. (Technically more, but I don't want your head to explode)

And human societies have had between 2-5 genders, as documented by anthropologists.

I guess your 13 year old understanding of gender and sex in humans isn't accurate.

Shocking.

X-trisomy, sex chromosome disorder of human females, in which three X chromosomes are present, rather than the normal pair. More common than Turner’s syndrome, where only one X chromosome is present, X-trisomy usually remains undetected because affected individuals appear normal, experience puberty, and are usually fertile. Statistical studies suggest a slightly increased frequency of mental disturbance, retardation, or both.

XYY-trisomy, relatively common human sex chromosome anomaly in which a male has two Y chromosomes rather than one. It occurs in 1 in 500–1,000 live male births, and individuals with the anomaly are often characterized by tallness and severe acne and sometimes by skeletal malformations and mental deficiency. It has been suggested that the presence of an extra Y chromosome in an individual may cause him to be more aggressive and prone to criminal behaviour, a condition called the “supermale” syndrome. Studies of prison populations have tended to confirm this hypothesis; but subsequent studies of the general population, especially those in which affected individuals were observed from early childhood over a long period of time, have cast serious doubt on the validity of linking the chromosomal anomaly directly to behavioral abnormalities.

Just stop, you're a crackpot. No legitimate psychologist would recommend these folks going through basic training.

[Crash187]

Sincere question: what is the criticism of Kristen Beck based on? Afaik she was decorated SEAL who earned a bronze star and purple heart during her 20 years of service. Seems like someone who would be very difficult to replace. I honestly don't understand how banning her improves our military.

Hell, I don't know, maybe he/she waiting until after his/her time in the military was concluded to come out with it? They didn't provide a distraction. Silly us for not thinking about it before you call on someone who hid it until their job was done. Honestly, that's the problem I have with today's society. Everyone wants to make a statement. STFU do your job and no one will complain. They're just too many that want the limelight for being special.

I'm missing a finger and most of the use of my left hand but do you see me looking for special treatment. I believe one of my first posts was I came back to GS for a specific reason but I'd either get sympathy or laughed at, neither of which I want.

[Tgo01]

There are five chromosomal variations of X and Y in humans not two. (Technically more, but I don't want your head to explode)

And human societies have had between 2-5 genders, as documented by anthropologists.

I guess your 13 year old understanding of gender and sex in humans isn't accurate.

Shocking.

What exactly are you referring to? Because I can promise you are either making this shit up or you don't understand what you are talking about.

[Stumplicker]

What exactly are you referring to? Because I can promise you are either making this shit up or you don't understand what you are talking about.

The anthropological part of it is based in truth but it's a non-argument to the point she's trying to make. She's talking about the anthropological idea that genders and their roles are a result of social construction and have been given different or expanded definitions and then reified in isolated sociocultural groups such as some South American and African Tribes. It's however a non argument because the culture this debate exists in isn't an isolated tribe with an expanded social assumption of gender roles, and the primary given arguments against this thread are biological and not social.

No idea on the rest.

[Methais]

There are five chromosomal variations of X and Y in humans not two. (Technically more, but I don't want your head to explode)

And human societies have had between 2-5 genders, as documented by anthropologists.

I guess your 13 year old understanding of gender and sex in humans isn't accurate.

Shocking.

[Neveragain]

The anthropological part of it is based in truth but it's a non-argument to the point she's trying to make. She's talking about the anthropological idea that genders and their roles are a result of social construction and have been given different or expanded definitions when examined in isolated sociocultural groups such as some South American and African Tribes. It's however a non argument because the culture this debate exists in isn't an isolated tribe with an expanded social assumption of gender roles, and the primary given arguments against this thread are biological and not social.

No idea on the rest.

There are sociologist that suggest that these changes in "gender roles" can be used as a measure of the social state of a society. These changes can be seen through artwork, design, fashion, etc. of the period. More times than not when these aspects of society become more "flamboyant" they trend towards the fall of a society.

[Methais]

There are sociologist that suggest that these changes in "gender roles" can be used as a measure of the social state of a society. These changes can be seen through artwork, design, fashion, etc. of the period. More times than not when these aspects of society become more "flamboyant" they trend towards the fall of a society.

So basically we're all about to die...

[Crash187]

Maybe, this will knock some sense into time4fun (doubtful but I'll give it a go), The constitution guarantees the right to the pursuit of happiness. If pursuing it means you want to act or look like the opposite sex, that's all well and good. Should the rest of the people pay for it? Not so much. That's why, personally I think, transgenders should not be allowed in the military in any capacity. This country already has too many debts to pay. Why should we pay because someone is confused as all get out?

[Methais]

Maybe, this will knock some sense into time4fun (doubtful but I'll give it a go), The constitution guarantees the right to the pursuit of happiness. If pursuing it means you want to act or look like the opposite sex, that's all well and good. Should the rest of the people pay for it? Not so much. That's why, personally I think, transgenders should not be allowed in the military in any capacity. This country already has too many debts to pay. Why should we pay because someone is confused as all get out?

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthrea...-Speech-Thread

[Stumplicker]

There are sociologist that suggest that these changes in "gender roles" can be used as a measure of the social state of a society. These changes can be seen through artwork, design, fashion, etc. of the period. More times than not when these aspects of society become more "flamboyant" they trend towards the fall of a society.

If you want to use anthropological findings to make a point which I suspect is something like "fags are ruining America" based on your persona here, I'm going to make you at least work for it. So before I agree, I'll need you to expand on the following:

1. Tell me exactly how you feel that the linguistic reification of an expanded gender identity in isolated South American tribes ties into the cultural downfall you're referencing - and I'll even help you a bit and say that certain aspects of Western Roman civilization may sync up with an idea like that, though I've never heard or read anyone's work that references it as a causality. To my knowledge, they're completely different things.

2. Tell me whose work exactly you're referencing.