Climate Change Report

[Tgo01]

I'm sure that you can understand that a collection of environmental groups from China and some extremists who want to go bow down to the Chinese and bash America might not be the folks we wanted to listen to. Just replace China with Venezuela. Then again, maybe you can't. Maybe I've overestimated you. Maybe you can't really see the difference between a bunch of people paid by Hugo Chavez's successors and most of the scientific world. That'd be pretty sad, but not so surprising.

And yet when I mocked Zimbabwe I was flaked. FLAKED!

[Warriorbird]

Please tell me American History isn't one of the courses you teach.

Please.

Please tell me you don't talk in public.

Please.

You clearly didn't learn any.

[Thondalar]

Why would I want to give Andrew Johnson credit for anything? I understand you're a conservative and don't understand realignment elections though.

I'm pro-gay, anti-war, pro-legalization, anti-religion...yeah, I'm a huge conservative. Not sure what realignment elections has to do with it...unless you're talking about the shift in voting practices in the south from mostly democrat to mostly republican in the 70's...the 1970's.

The period of economic growth I was referring to was after World War 2, not during.

Ah, sorry, I was assuming you were talking about from the depression to WWII, since I was talking about the depression. Hence my confusion. Post-WWII we get into a mire that I don't think either of us is prepared to postulate on...I think you would at least be cognizant enough to recognize that international trade exploded after WWII, and this certainly played a role in our economic recovery despite who was in charge. Whether we like it or not, on the macro scale our economy is tied to the world...we see evidence of this in the patterns that developed after the growth of international travel capabilities in the late 1800's and early 1900's, through both world wars to the point where the global community is pretty much the same as it is now. While I can't really point out too much that Truman (D) or Eisenhower (R) did after WWII to directly relate to economic recovery, I think it's more a by-product of the world recovering from what was, at the time, global devastation on a level not previously seen.

War is hell, but it makes a lot of money...before, during, and after.

[Warriorbird]

I'm pro-gay, anti-war, pro-legalization, anti-religion...yeah, I'm a huge conservative. Not sure what realignment elections has to do with it...unless you're talking about the shift in voting practices in the south from mostly democrat to mostly republican in the 70's...the 1970's.

Ah, sorry, I was assuming you were talking about from the depression to WWII, since I was talking about the depression. Hence my confusion. Post-WWII we get into a mire that I don't think either of us is prepared to postulate on...I think you would at least be cognizant enough to recognize that international trade exploded after WWII, and this certainly played a role in our economic recovery despite who was in charge. Whether we like it or not, on the macro scale our economy is tied to the world...we see evidence of this in the patterns that developed after the growth of international travel capabilities in the late 1800's and early 1900's, through both world wars to the point where the global community is pretty much the same as it is now. While I can't really point out too much that Truman (D) or Eisenhower (R) did after WWII to directly relate to economic recovery, I think it's more a by-product of the world recovering from what was, at the time, global devastation on a level not previously seen.

War is hell, but it makes a lot of money...before, during, and after.

The world wouldn't have gotten the chance to have that international trade without the 100% employment economic/supply powerhouse that was Roosevelt's achievement.

There've been a number of realignments. At that point in time we had a Democratic Party that was interested in a state rather than federal focus.

And yet when I mocked Zimbabwe I was flaked. FLAKED!

I think Zimbabwe is doing the best it can.

I'm mainly curious about your Venezuela to French Connection.

[waywardgs]

War is hell, but it makes a lot of money...before, during, and after.

It used to. Not anymore.

[Thondalar]

It used to. Not anymore.

You're nuts. It makes more now than ever...at least as far as our GDP is concerned...besides, I was talking about then, and not now, in that particular segment.

[Thondalar]

The world wouldn't have gotten the chance to have that international trade without the 100% employment economic/supply powerhouse that was Roosevelt's achievement.

I disagree. Unfortunately, it's history...we can only look at what happened, and everything else is wondering what would(could) have happened.

Roosevelt was elected in 1933...and died in office in 1945. Yet the economic recovery didn't happen until after the war. You tell me which was more responsible for that...the guy who was in office for 12 years while America barely crept along, or the war that changed the entire landscape of the global economic community (which we happened to win and place ourselves in a position to control that global economy, especially Japan and Germany).

[Warriorbird]

I disagree. Unfortunately, it's history...we can only look at what happened, and everything else is wondering what would(could) have happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship

Why it is important is because it helps us make modern decisions. I see deregulation threatening us over and over again so I don't support it.

[Thondalar]

Why it is important is because it helps us make modern decisions. I see deregulation threatening us over and over again so I don't support it.

We also built more planes in 1944 alone than Japan did during the entire war. I've never said WWII didn't kick-start our manufacturing...that's actually exactly what I've said. FDR was a by-product of the situation, and he made the decisions that needed to be made. I don't give him credit for economic recovery after WWII because he did what he had to do.

[Thondalar]

I see deregulation threatening us over and over again so I don't support it.

I also see that, but only because a large segment of our population is apparently incapable of taking care of themselves. Instead of changing the government, let's change ourselves. Certainly the harder road, but the more fruitful in the long run.