Climate Change Report

[Tgo01]

This is absolutely relevant and not a red herring.

You: Did he mention he worked for energy companies?
Me: That is irrelevant to what he said.
You: Is the fact that he is an ecologist relevant?

And you don't think that's a red herring?

no mention that he's paid to create effective communications for the very people the environmentalists are protesting.

So you can't find any logical faults in his arguments so you resort to logical fallacies and accuse others of resorting to logical fallacies instead.

[Warriorbird]

Seriously... MY Definition? Which between what I posted, and what Cwolff posted is an actual Definition, and which is a copy and paste from Wikipedia?

WTF is it my definition, isn't it the ENGLISH definition of Shill?

Seriously dude, WTF is wrong with you? Didn't get to beat your wife this weekend?

At this point I should say it again because it apparently causes you to flip out.

[cwolff]

Dafaq? PB posts a video, I try to discuss what's in the video and all you say is "No no, we're not talking about the video, we're talking about whether or not Moore is a shill."



Man you and WB are the red herring kings today.

When did I ever say you thought all corporations are evil?

For the love of all that is holy man, I've been asking you what your point was in calling Moore a shill for the past 20 pages. You are more than welcome to clear the air but for some reason I think you are incapable. You just heard somewhere that Moore was a shill, you saw Moore was in this video and just kept parroting the shill thing over and over again.

You don't try to discuss. You just try to win. That's why you're always going to these fucking word games. Whether it's the meaning of the word solvency or the definition of the word shill. Then as you're doing that you pose leading|misleading closed end questions like "Why do you think corporations are evil?" or "What's wrong with Nuclear energy" which is a totally different subject than what's being discussed.

[Warriorbird]

So you can't find any logical faults in his arguments so you resort to logical fallacies and accuse others of resorting to logical fallacies instead.

So you're saying he's you but he shouldn't be you and should reject the points of the industry PR guy and not debate you. Got it.

[cwolff]

You: Did he mention he worked for energy companies?
Me: That is irrelevant to what he said.
You: Is the fact that he is an ecologist relevant?

And you don't think that's a red herring?



So you can't find any logical faults in his arguments so you resort to logical fallacies and accuse others of resorting to logical fallacies instead.

It is not a red herring because the reason he gets to talk on TV about ACC is because he was founder of greenpeace and lifelong ecologist. They establish those bonafides but do not provide the disclaimer that he is also paid by these industries to represent them in a positive light.

[Jarvan]

Do you want to argue against 1 guy at NASA? I don't even know who you're talking about so we'll need some background and maybe even a different thread so it's so unrelated.



That's argument from ignorance. It's a new fallacy for this discussion but illuminating.

Gavin Schmidt - Gavin A. Schmidt is a climatologist and climate modeler at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York.

But you still haven't commented on Moore's PH. D. in Ecology. Which would make him an expert in the field of Ecology, and therefor able to talk about it. Nice that you only read the second sentence.

That being said.. Gavin Schmidt is a Shill for "Climate Change". it's in his best interests to promote climate change, as that's the reason he has a job. He gets paid by NASA to prove Climate change. He is a shill, and nothing he nor any data he does for NASA matters since he is a shill.

Which is directly related to this thread, since you loved that NASA piece on climate change. Which uses this guys "Models".

[Tgo01]

Whether it's the meaning of the word solvency or the definition of the word shill.

Dude, I already said you won the shill argument just to get this discussion moving past that and you still haven't gone past the "he's a shill!" stage.

Then as you're doing that you pose leading|misleading closed end questions like "Why do you think corporations are evil?" or "What's wrong with Nuclear energy" which is a totally different subject than what's being discussed.

I have never said you thought corporations are evil. Stop that.

You called him a shill for energy companies in an attempt to say his words shouldn't be taken seriously. I'm pretty sure you flat out admitted this too, if not you heavily insinuated it.

One of the energy companies he represents and supports is nuclear energy. Okay. We've already established we can't take him seriously because he represents energy companies so it's a very logical question to ask; what is wrong with nuclear energy?

Can you say something besides "shill"?

So you're saying he's you but he shouldn't be you and should reject the points of the industry PR guy and not debate you. Got it.

This whole Moore thing is quite fascinating.

We have cwolff and WB who apparently didn't even watch the video saying Moore's words shouldn't be taken seriously because he's an energy company shill yet neither of them apparently even know what he said.

I'm going to give you two a hint, I'm 99.99% sure Moore didn't even talk about global warming. He might have, I can't remember everything I watch, but even if he did that wasn't even close to all he was talking about.

[cwolff]

Gavin Schmidt - Gavin A. Schmidt is a climatologist and climate modeler at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York.

But you still haven't commented on Moore's PH. D. in Ecology. Which would make him an expert in the field of Ecology, and therefor able to talk about it. Nice that you only read the second sentence.

That being said.. Gavin Schmidt is a Shill for "Climate Change". it's in his best interests to promote climate change, as that's the reason he has a job. He gets paid by NASA to prove Climate change. He is a shill, and nothing he nor any data he does for NASA matters since he is a shill.

Which is directly related to this thread, since you loved that NASA piece on climate change. Which uses this guys "Models".

Fine. Start a Gavin Schmidt thread. Crucify in public for all I care. Out him as a shill. It won't hurt my feelings.

[Tgo01]

It is not a red herring because the reason he gets to talk on TV about ACC

Okay cwolff, I took the initiative to watch the video once and I honestly don't remember him talking about man made global warming. Maybe he did. Now do your part and watch the video and please provide the time stamps of when he talked about it. Thanks.

[Warriorbird]

I bet PB is an excellent salesman. Aassuming he can filter himself in public, we already know he can talk in circles until he gets his way. And the people that don't want TECO? Well those people are LIBTARDED!

I've never doubted that he's an excellent salesman. He's a likeable gamer too. He has a lot of enthusiasm.