More Obamacare fuckups

[Latrinsorm]

You spelled 2007 wrong.

I thought you were talking about the 2004 proposal, but either way the point stands. Democrats proposed healthcare reforms under a Republican President.

[Warriorbird]

I thought you were talking about the 2004 proposal, but either way the point stands. Democrats proposed healthcare reforms under a Republican President.

Terry doesn't let facts get in the way of his partisan rhetoric. You should understand it so he won't call you a RINO.

[Tgo01]

I thought you were talking about the 2004 proposal

Are you talking about his campaign speech proposals? That's like...just no.

Terry doesn't let facts get in the way of his partisan rhetoric. You should understand it so he won't call you a RINO.

Damn right.

[Latrinsorm]

Are you talking about his campaign speech proposals? That's like...just no.

You're talking about a SotU proposal, aren't you not?

[Tgo01]

You're talking about a SotU proposal, aren't you not?

Are you not?

[cwolff]

Are you not?

I'm having trouble parsing that sentence as well.

Latrin, can you clarify what you just said?

[Kembal]

I went to refresh myself on the Bush 2007 plan, since I didn't remember the details, but it appears it consisted of the following:

1. Taxing the health benefits of Americans who get insurance through their employer after a certain point
2. Subsidies to states to help cover uninsured

This was expected to help cover about 3 million people more, by the Bush administration's estimates.

However, both points ended up in the ACA. 1 is the Cadillac health plan tax (although that's a much higher point for when taxation starts than Bush's proposal) and 2 ended up being the Medicaid expansion.

I don't think you could've tweaked this in any way and made a better plan without incorporating all the other elements of Obamacare.

But yes, Dems killed it for partisan reasons.

[Latrinsorm]

Are you not?

I'm not not. Wait, I mean I'm not not.

Latrin, can you clarify what you just said?

Terrence is a cool guy for arbitrarily dismissing campaign promises and cleaving to State of the Union promises.

Not.

[cwolff]

Here's an article about the pros and cons of Bush's plan. Could it be that it wasn't any good and that is what kept it from going anywhere beyond a W daydream? Even Heritage said he didn't go far enough.

US President George W Bush has proposed using a tax deduction to make health insurance more affordable. But sceptics say the plan will help only the wealthy and is “dead on arrival” in the Democrat-controlled Congress. Michael McCarthy reviews the pros and cons of the proposal.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...252-9/fulltext

This is from a different article comparing health care proposals put forward between 2005 and 2007.




With the exception of federal–state partnerships, all of the proposals would transform the traditional role of employers by eventually scaling back or eliminating the extent to which they contract directly with health plans for coverage. The president's and Senator Wyden's proposals would achieve this in part by eliminating the tax exemption for employer-provided benefits and replacing it with an income tax deduction. The proposals differ in the extent to which employers would continue to finance coverage.

With the exception of President Bush's proposal, the plans would require individuals to have health insurance and require employers and individuals to share in the cost.

All of the proposals except the president's would provide subsidies to people with lower incomes to help defray the costs of premiums.

All of the proposals except the president's would pool health risks into large groups in order to equalize premium costs across families, regardless of health risk, and increase efficiency in insurance administration.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publ...-Coverage.aspx

[Tgo01]

Could it be that it wasn't any good and that is what kept it from going anywhere beyond a W daydream?

This is what I don't understand about your arguments. One minute you're saying Republicans are a bunch of fashion fascists for wanting to repeal Obamacare instead of working with the Democrats to make it better and you say Republicans have offered no healthcare plans of their own then when you have a Republican healthcare plan dropped in your lap all you can do is bash it and says it's worthless.

That's exactly what Republicans are saying in regards to Obamacare; it's worthless so let's scrape it and start over but when Republicans do that they are just evil warlords wanting to take us back to the gilded age where everyone was a carpetbaggerr.