More Obamacare fuckups

[Tgo01]

Yes. By design. What exactly is the point of that post?

What exactly is the point? The government isn't "burdened" with anything. Ever. Taxpayers are burdened. Did I really have to explain that?

I agree that the ACA is flawed, but I don't think a conservative can seriously make the argument that it isn't their fault, as the public option was absolutely pilloried by the right and removed...as not a single one of them voted for it

A) It doesn't matter whose fault it is. We are now left with a piece of shit legislation.

B) Why are we blaming Republicans when you openly admit Republicans didn't (and still don't) support the current piece of legislation that passed? Democrats passed this law without a single Republican vote, they could have passed anything they wanted. Democrats failed. Simple as that.

You say the government can't control costs--in fact, the ACA has a few mechanisms built in to prevent the insurance companies from jacking up rates that have no correlation to their cost increases.

The Act ensures that, in any State, large proposed increases

Well I had to stop reading right there. What a complete and utter useless law.

Again this law does nothing to address healthcare costs. Even if it somehow tries to reign in insurance company profits that is going to do shit.

That doesn't mean the cost of healthcare won't continue to rise--it's been rising constantly without fail anyway.

Oh okay. Well as long as healthcare costs were spiraling out of control before I guess it's okay to just keep letting them spiral out of control but now we make sure more people can feel the pain.

[cwolff]

You equated laws requiring doctors to ask about guns in the house to "it's the same thing as them asking about cleaners under the sink".

I'm asking for similar laws that makes it the same.

Where did I "equate" laws?

I disagree with laws that force doctors to ask about firearms in the house. It's none of their business, unless there is something (crazy insane parents, domestic violence, etc...) that would create a reason.

I understand. I disagree too. Is this a law?

[cwolff]

What exactly is the point? The government isn't "burdened" with anything. Ever. Taxpayers are burdened. Did I really have to explain that?



A) It doesn't matter whose fault it is. We are now left with a piece of shit legislation.

B) Why are we blaming Republicans when you openly admit Republicans didn't (and still don't) support the current piece of legislation that passed? Democrats passed this law without a single Republican vote, they could have passed anything they wanted. Democrats failed. Simple as that.





Well I had to stop reading right there. What a complete and utter useless law.

Again this law does nothing to address healthcare costs. Even if it somehow tries to reign in insurance company profits that is going to do shit.



Oh okay. Well as long as healthcare costs were spiraling out of control before I guess it's okay to just keep letting them spiral out of control but now we make sure more people can feel the pain.

Do you understand the relationship between the citizen and government?

[Tgo01]

Do you understand the relationship between the citizen and government?

Yes. Do you? Or is this more trolling on your part? It's hard to tell because you aren't complaining about trolling while doing it :/

[Latrinsorm]

Did anyone else think that was Ravenstorm returned from the dead as a conservative?

Ravenstorm was a lot more pithy.

We are a warrior/militaristic culture and get everything we have now through the liberal use of firearms.

Not to downplay Malcolm X's involvement but MLK used words, LBJ used a pen. Armed civilians haven't been deployed militarily for a hundred years. The era of the Minuteman as defender of our shores or our rights is long, long past.

I have two kids and I've never, ever been asked by their pediatrician about chemicals under the sink.

I was under the impression that you were the primary breadwinner for your home. Wouldn't your wife have taken the kids to the pediatrician, especially when they were very young?

You equated laws requiring doctors to ask about guns in the house to "it's the same thing as them asking about cleaners under the sink".

This is inaccurate. The source of this discussion is Ravenwood saying "How do you feel about your doctor asking you if you have guns in your home as part of a routine physical?" Asking, not being required to ask by law.

Put another way, there are three possible laws: doctors cannot ask, doctors can ask, doctors must ask. You appear to be the only one who thought we were talking about #3.

[Atlanteax]

The argument that Obamacare will "bankrupt the nation" is absurd on its face--it's a FAR cry from universal healthcare or single payer, again, which every other developed country on the planet, ALL of which are poorer than the US, SOMEHOW afford. Including conservative darlings like Germany and Ireland.

Hmm, I wonder what the European governments are cutting now to reign-in their run-away social spending expenditures in austerity efforts to regain control of their balance sheets?

Just because the Europeans did it, and are paying (literally) for their mistake, does not mean that the U.S. have to repeat it.

[cwolff]

Yes. Do you? Or is this more trolling on your part? It's hard to tell because you aren't complaining about trolling while doing it :/

It doesn't sound like it. You're saying the government isn't burdened the taxpayers are. When you get down to it, they're one and the same. I understand if you feel like your input isn't steering the direction you want your tax dollars to go, but that's how it works with 300million people that belong to the same society.

[Tgo01]

It doesn't sound like it. You're saying the government isn't burdened the taxpayers are. When you get down to it, they're one and the same.

/insert forehead smack here

Yes, that was my point. Are you paying attention to the conversation at hand? :/

[Atlanteax]

It doesn't sound like it. You're saying the government isn't burdened the taxpayers are. When you get down to it, they're one and the same. I understand if you feel like your input isn't steering the direction you want your tax dollars to go, but that's how it works with 300million people that belong to the same society.

You're missing that Ashliana is not intelligent enough to grasp that anything that is a 'government burden' is essentially passed on to the taxpayers who foot the bill.

This is the reason why SCOTUS determined Obamacare to be a tax.

The sick joke is that taxpayers are paying twice. Higher premiums & higher taxes by extension (subsidies).

[Wrathbringer]

You're missing that Ashliana is not intelligent enough to grasp that anything that is a 'government burden' is essentially passed on to the taxpayers who foot the bill.

This is the reason why SCOTUS determined Obamacare to be a tax.

The sick joke is that taxpayers are paying twice. Higher premiums & higher taxes by extension (subsidies).

And people wonder why tax evasion is at an all-time high.