More Obamacare fuckups

[Warriorbird]

I happen to think Obamacare is worse than the status quo.

So if your only counter argument is "But it isn't the status quo!" well then...I don't know. Hi?

So why exactly would you think that?

There are tons of jobs that require little to no training at start that easily make 15$+ an hour. But if they are so keen to work as a cashier at McDonalds for the rest of their adult life that is their problem. Pretty sure McDonalds also hires from within for positions that pay more and you can "Climb the ladder". So stop trying to mommy everyone.

Those fictional jobs are sure everywhere. Most of the time when they get brought up they end up involving multi state moves that usually aren't practical for people with families.

And if they cannot afford health care premium for *basic health care*, then the issue is the health industry being forced to spend too disproportionate amount on expensive treatments ... such as hospitals being mandated to go all-out to save gang-bangers who shot each other up, and as a consequence passing that cost onto everything else, which then subsequently results in preventative care / etc being quantified as "too expensive to afford".

... and/or the expectations of entitled-to healthcare is overly excessive (ie anyone gets a lung transplant, even heavy smokers).

Private industry would never have anything to do with the cost increases ever of course. They're perfect saints that can't ever do wrong. They love helping people.

[Tgo01]

So why exactly would you think that?

Proof that you don't read any of my posts.

[Johnny Five]

So why exactly would you think that?



Those fictional jobs are sure everywhere. Most of the time when they get brought up they end up involving multi state moves that usually aren't practical for people with families.

You are retarded. Two years ago I worked at Walmart making 8 bucks an hour unloading trucks. Then I went to O'Riellys DC and started off at 11.25 left a year later making 13.50. Now I make over 20$ dollars an hour with no college education. I never left the state. Doing a little work ACTUALLY yields results.

[Whirlin]

Proof that you don't read any of my posts.

Yes, that would make an awesome script, you should write that one.

[Warriorbird]

Proof that you don't read any of my posts.

Not much in what I'd call objective depth other than "I oppose everything!" I'm not sure you're even self aware enough to say the stuff SHM did.

You are retarded. Two years ago I worked at Walmart making 8 bucks an hour unloading trucks. Then I went to O'Riellys DC and started off at 11.25 left a year later making 13.50. Now I make over 20$ dollars an hour with no college education. I never left the state. Doing a little work ACTUALLY yields results.

I'd put you in the intellectually disabled category if you think everyone can do that and the jobs are available.

[Johnny Five]

Not much in what I'd call objective depth other than "I oppose everything!" I'm not sure you're even self aware enough to say the stuff SHM did.



I'd put you in the intellectually disabled category if you think everyone can do that and the jobs are available.

So if they can't lets give them free food, free housing, free healthcare, free cell phone, and expect them to do any better?

[cwolff]

You are retarded. Two years ago I worked at Walmart making 8 bucks an hour unloading trucks. Then I went to O'Riellys DC and started off at 11.25 left a year later making 13.50. Now I make over 20$ dollars an hour with no college education. I never left the state. Doing a little work ACTUALLY yields results.

The retarded thing about this stuff is you guys break it down into something that's so simple. I mean, give you a minute and you'll solve world hunger. It's as easy as just "Get a job". I know you want to crow about your own personal "no one helped me!" Horatio Alger myth, but WTF. If you think it's that easy, you've already lost. We have 300million people in this country. The answer for each of them is the same? Just "get a job" = problem solved?

[Johnny Five]

The retarded thing about this stuff is you guys break it down into something that's so simple. I mean, give you a minute and you'll solve world hunger. It's as easy as just "Get a job". I know you want to crow about your own personal "no one helped me!" Horatio Alger myth, but WTF. If you think it's that easy, you've already lost. We have 300million people in this country. The answer for each of them is the same? Just "get a job" = problem solved?

No but when you continue to let it be a systemic problem then you aren't doing anything to help it.

You have McDonald worker X. Worker X only makes 1200$ a month. We give X food stamps, cash assistance, rental assistance, free healthcare. X feels no need to work towards a better future when they are able to get assistance for taking the easy road. X meets Y and has Z. X and Y teach Z that you get free stuff for doing little to no work. Z grows up knowing this and does what X and Y did.

Now if X went and worked at finding a better job/went up the corp ladder/found a skill set. X then meets Y and has Z. X and Y teaches Z that you can do better than the minimum.

I just solved the welfare crisis!

[Tgo01]

Yes, that would make an awesome script, you should write that one.

A script that reads my posts to WB for him? I still don't think he would read my posts.

Not much in what I'd call objective depth other than "I oppose everything!" I'm not sure you're even self aware enough to say the stuff SHM did.

I have stated it numerous times throughout this thread.

I think Obamacare is useless because it won't solve the main problem it claimed to want to fix; lowering healthcare costs. There is nothing in the bill about lowering healthcare costs. Nothing about this bill will actually make healthcare costs lower. The only thing it will do is spread those costs around so some people might have lower costs.

It also won't fix the bankruptcy issue that Democrats love to point to as something that Obamacare will fix. How will Obamacare fix the bankruptcy issues? People with healthcare today are filing for bankruptcy and I'm not just talking about 1000 to 2000 dollars in medical debt, they are filing for bankruptcy with 20,000, to 30,000+ dollars in medical debt. WITH HEALTH INSURANCE!

It won't fix the "problem" of people showing up to the emergency room with no insurance and not paying the bill because A) there is no "teeth" in the law to force people to buy insurance and B) even if the person has insurance there is no guarantee they will pay their portion of the bill which could be upwards of 8000 dollars depending on what medical services they required.

Obamacare is a "feel good" piece of legislation. It "feels good" because we're giving everyone insurance but critical thinking to sheeple such as yourself stops there. "Everyone is insured! We saved the world!" But does insuring everyone fix the problems the bill originally sought to fix? The answer is no.

But keep on listening to MSNBC and Moveon.org, surely they don't have an agenda.

ETA: Oh yeah, I forgot the best part of how much of a failure this law is; how easy it is for companies to not have to participate in the law at all. "Hey! We can save ourselves a fortune if we just cut everyone to 28 hours a week and hire a few more workers to make up for the lost man hours!"

Brilliant!

[Warriorbird]

A script that reads my posts to WB for him? I still don't think he would read my posts.



I have stated it numerous times throughout this thread.

I think Obamacare is useless because it won't solve the main problem it claimed to want to fix; lowering healthcare costs. There is nothing in the bill about lowering healthcare costs. Nothing about this bill will actually make healthcare costs lower. The only thing it will do is spread those costs around so some people might have lower costs.

It also won't fix the bankruptcy issue that Democrats love to point to as something that Obamacare will fix. How will Obamacare fix the bankruptcy issues? People with healthcare today are filing for bankruptcy and I'm not just talking about 1000 to 2000 dollars in medical debt, they are filing for bankruptcy with 20,000, to 30,000+ dollars in medical debt. WITH HEALTH INSURANCE!

It won't fix the "problem" of people showing up to the emergency room with no insurance and not paying the bill because A) there is no "teeth" in the law to force people to buy insurance and B) even if the person has insurance there is no guarantee they will pay their portion of the bill which could be upwards of 8000 dollars depending on what medical services they required.

Obamacare is a "feel good" piece of legislation. It "feels good" because we're giving everyone insurance but critical thinking to sheeple such as yourself stops there. "Everyone is insured! We saved the world!" But does insuring everyone fix the problems the bill originally sought to fix? The answer is no.

But keep on listening to MSNBC and Moveon.org, surely they don't have an agenda.

I get most of my news from the BBC. I don't need to read only party affiliated agitprop like you. You of course assume that I do.

If more people pay for their healthcare it will reduce costs. You would bitch and moan about price fixing if it did that, so your complaint is disengenuous bullshit.

I'm puzzled how people unrelated to the bill are somehow one of your complaints against the bill. Maybe the current system isn't great and the free market won't save us all. Wow.

There are teeth in the law and those teeth are some of the same bullshit that idiotic Republicans complain about. Another stupid illogical line.

We're not "giving everyone insurance." People who think that probably only read chain emails from angry retirees. Do you want that to be you?

There's no real substance to any of this because if a bill came out to do it you'd oppose it.