More Obamacare fuckups

[cwolff]

Even after I posted a link that showed the uninsured cost less than 2% of the total healthcare spent in this country you're still using this argument?

You make me a sad man

What's sad is that for some reason you are defending the uninsured. Not sure why because you are conservative about other issues but have a real soft heart for people who don't carry insurance. I think it's just because ACA is an Obama program. If it were rolled out by President Mitt Romney in an alternate universe you'd be cool with it.

Don't forget the part about him saying that if he had to he'd pay his bills out of his own pocket. But yes, he is clearly fucking the tax payers.

That's what he said. Can he? Probably not. It's a stupid theoretical argument that can only be made by someone who just want to argue. We, certain states, let people put up bonds for auto insurance and I'm ok if ACA allows that too. It'll be a small group of people that do so it won't have an effect on the overall program.

[Wrathbringer]

Jingoism aside your argument is total bullshit. No one in the armed services fought to be unencumbered from the law or civic responsibilities like paying bills and taxes. Why the fuck are you even arguing. If you go broke you can just go to the VA. As a combat veteran you could probably go there anyway.

Are you insured now or are you just fucking the US taxpayer bareback?

I'm arguing because it's what we do in America. When freedoms are stripped, we whine about it until we forget about it. I just haven't forgotten yet. As for my personal affairs, they're none of your business but you can rest assured that I keep the governmental theft of my income to a minimum. If you're okay with paying, don't be upset when I'm not.

[Thondalar]

With freedom, there's that choice. We can hope. Seriously, though, how will the feds know who to fine- er, I mean, "tax"?

I thought the IRS was handling all of that? According to the Government Accountability Office(a thing), there are 47 new provisions in ACA that the IRS is directly responsible for implementing...including, of course, the fine for non-compliance.

This is an interesting read on it, if a bit dry: http://www.gao.gov/assets/330/320403.pdf

I know most of you don't care for the nuances of politics like I do, but I find it's much better to get information from the source, as opposed to MSNBC or Fox or wherever. Practically zero entertainment value, but much more accurate.

[Tgo01]

What's sad is that for some reason you are defending the uninsured. Not sure why because you are conservative about other issues but have a real soft heart for people who don't carry insurance. I think it's just because ACA is an Obama program. If it were rolled out by President Mitt Romney in an alternate universe you'd be cool with it.

I'm not "defending" anyone. I just think it's funny that people were suckered into believing Obama's lies (yes lies) that the uninsured are the reason we are in the mess we're in (healthcare spending wise.) It's ludicrous. There are plenty of reasons for why our healthcare costs are so high and I can guarantee you the uninsured make up such a tiny part of it that it's probably not even worth mentioning them.

Since we're talking about an alternate universe where Mitt Romney won (although I'm pretty sure you mean McCain) can you imagine if things played out exactly the same with ol' Mitt up on national TV trying to convince everyone that the uninsured are the reasons why their healthcare costs so high? I can see the headlines now "Romney wages war on the poor while giving tax breaks to his millionaire buddies." But Obama does basically the same thing and everyone falls in line and takes a number to carry his water.

I'm against Obamacare because it is useless (as far as solving the problem it claims to be solving) and it was pushed through on a false premise and lies. Perhaps I wouldn't be as against it if Obama just told the truth "Yo, we need more people paying into the system so we're going to take all of the uninsured/healthy people and turn them upside down and shake them until enough money falls out to pay for everything." I at least would give Obama points for being honest. But instead we have this bullshit that "Uninsured cost us sooooo much money! Did you know if an uninsured person walked into an ER with a broken leg (rimshot!) that they would be required to treat him!" Of course the implication is that the uninsured person won't pay a dime of his bill, fact is most uninsured people DO make efforts to pay their medical bills! Some even pay their entire medical bill.

[Back]

Turns out that I will end up saving $45 a month on my health insurance plan. Now if my state could get the site working I'd sign up!

[Atlanteax]

Turns out that I will end up saving $45 a month on my health insurance plan. Now if my state could get the site working I'd sign up!

LOL @ making claim of reduced insurance costs before actually under new/modified insurance.

[Wrathbringer]

I thought the IRS was handling all of that? According to the Government Accountability Office(a thing), there are 47 new provisions in ACA that the IRS is directly responsible for implementing...including, of course, the fine for non-compliance.

This is an interesting read on it, if a bit dry: http://www.gao.gov/assets/330/320403.pdf

I know most of you don't care for the nuances of politics like I do, but I find it's much better to get information from the source, as opposed to MSNBC or Fox or wherever. Practically zero entertainment value, but much more accurate.

Thanks. IRS, eh? Like they don't have enough to do. Wonder how much more that's going to cost to have them policing people who aren't interested. I'm guessing more than the penalties will bring in, but hey, that's government for you. Are the particulars of how they can tell who to fine er, um, "tax" in there? If so, that'll be good reading for me.

[AnticorRifling]

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I know most of you don't care for the nuances of politics like I do, but I find it's much better to get information from the source, as opposed to MSNBC or Fox or wherever. Practically zero entertainment value, but much more accurate.

Oh thank you, thank you, thank you for taking the time to give us this valuable insight and information. Without you we might be blindly following that there talky box with its bright colors and purty big words.

We're blessed to have one so much better than us on these boards how can we repay you for coming down from on high to mingle with us common folk?

[cwolff]

I'm not "defending" anyone. I just think it's funny that people were suckered into believing Obama's lies (yes lies) that the uninsured are the reason we are in the mess we're in (healthcare spending wise.) It's ludicrous. There are plenty of reasons for why our healthcare costs are so high and I can guarantee you the uninsured make up such a tiny part of it that it's probably not even worth mentioning them.

I don't think anyone is saying that's the reason for our healthcare mess. The uninsured are a component of cost but it's not breaking us.

Since we're talking about an alternate universe where Mitt Romney won (although I'm pretty sure you mean McCain) can you imagine if things played out exactly the same with ol' Mitt up on national TV trying to convince everyone that the uninsured are the reasons why their healthcare costs so high? I can see the headlines now "Romney wages war on the poor while giving tax breaks to his millionaire buddies." But Obama does basically the same thing and everyone falls in line and takes a number to carry his water.

I meant Romney since this is a modification of Romney care. And again, ACA is not because the uninsured are driving our country to bankruptcy. You're just projecting here. The reason you get pushback on this is probably because the GOP is the party that should be FOR making sure people are insured with private insurers. The Dem's should be pushing socialized medicine.

I'm against Obamacare because it is useless and it was pushed through on a false premise and lies. Perhaps I wouldn't be as against it if Obama just told the truth "Yo, we need more people paying into the system so we're going to take all of the uninsured/healthy people and turn them upside down and shake them until enough money falls out to pay for everything." I at least would give Obama points for being honest. But instead we have this bullshit that "Uninsured cost us sooooo much money! Did you know if an uninsured person walked into an ER with a broken leg (rimshot!) that they would be required to treat him!" Of course the implication is that the uninsured person won't pay a dime of his bill, fact is most uninsured people DO make efforts to pay their medical bills!

What you're describing is what Obama and his mouthpieces have said all along. It's why the individual mandate is important and this has been a stated reason all along. We need as many healthy people paying into this system as possible to balance the effect of insuring the previously uninsurable.

I thought you were the one writing all the posts about how the people ACA is targeting aren't going to pay their deductibles anyway. You've written a lot on here about how ACA sucks because most people go bankrupt for relatively small medical expenses. Can't have it both ways.

[Wrathbringer]

I don't think anyone is saying that's the reason for our healthcare mess. The uninsured are a component of cost but it's not breaking us.



I meant Romney since this is a modification of Romney care. And again, ACA is not because the uninsured are driving our country to bankruptcy. You're just projecting here. The reason you get pushback on this is probably because the GOP is the party that should be FOR making sure people are insured with private insurers. The Dem's should be pushing socialized medicine.



What you're describing is what Obama and his mouthpieces have said all along. It's why the individual mandate is important and this has been a stated reason all along. We need as many healthy people paying into this system as possible to balance the effect of insuring the previously uninsurable.

I thought you were the one writing all the posts about how the people ACA is targeting aren't going to pay their deductibles anyway. You've written a lot on here about how ACA sucks because most people go bankrupt for relatively small medical expenses. Can't have it both ways.

See the bolded portion. If these previously uninsurable are now insurable and able to cover their "affordable" premiums now, then why do we need the mandate again?