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    Quote Originally Posted by cwolff View Post
    It's a good start but you have a hell of a lot more work to do if you want to say that Obamacare or even the THREAT of Obamacare is the cause.
    I've mentioned this several times before, I run a business that mostly employs people in this category. Obamacare IS the cause. As soon as it was passed we had corporate freaking the fuck out and cutting jobs and hours. After the Supreme Court said it was ok we had even more.

    Come out of your shell into the real world. It's really hard for any of us to admit that something is actually bad when we've wanted to believe it's good. I get it. But we're never going to find a real solution until we can look at something logically, with a clear head, and call an apple an apple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwolff View Post
    You are arguing for perfection. It's not attainable little buddy.
    So we just give up and don't try to make improvements hmm? That's the American way!

    Hey guys our justice system isn't perfect, so we should just keep plugging along like we do now and don't make any improvements, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by cwolff View Post
    I hate to break it to you. Your parents probably should have had this talk with you when you were just a little idealist but I guess they failed.

    You think you are winning a debate through some self-sealing circular logic. It's sad Tg. Like I said before I hope you're just acting out in here. Maybe PC is the place where you let your inner child out of the cage so that she can get some attention. You are attempting to draw some conclusion about democrats (BTW: I'm not a democrat) by positing an impossible position. It's weak and beneath you. I'm confident you can do better and again I encourage you to keep trying. I've not given up on you yet! With a little bit of work I'm confident you can say something that actually means something.
    Quote Originally Posted by cwolff View Post
    It's sad that you sink to such a juvenile level.
    Last edited by Tgo01; 08-06-2013 at 05:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01 View Post
    That's like the exact definition of back peddling.
    Like I said, it's interesting that you would jump to any conclusion (perhaps on a board or mat of some kind) to find ways Obama wasn't really taking responsibility, but you absolutely refuse to consider any interpretation of cwolff's comment other than the one where cwolff is a wimpy pedlar of backs and you are a hero of integrity and rhetoric.
    So we just give up and don't try to make improvements hmm? That's the American way!

    Hey guys our justice system isn't perfect, so we should just keep plugging along like we do now and don't make any improvements, right?
    Boy, it's a lucky thing I responded to this before Thondalar did, you would be in for a stinging lecture about the real world and how you were being stupid, omphaloskepsic, illogical, and emotional.

    I will merely point out that we have finite resources, and those resources are much better devoted to an area where we kill people with a 50% chance of them being guilty than an area where we let .004% of people illegally vote.

    edited to add: of course, we may be able to do both if we raise taxes on those people most able to pay them, so I can only assume that when you inevitably respond "what, we can't do both?" you are endorsing that strategy, you socialist.
    Last edited by Latrinsorm; 08-06-2013 at 05:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latrinsorm View Post
    but you absolutely refuse to consider any interpretation of cwolff's comment other than the one where cwolff is a wimpy pedlar of backs and you are a hero of integrity and rhetoric.
    To be fair no one has proven that I'm not the hero of integrity and rhetoric.

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    Wouldn't it be fair to say no one hasn't proven that you aren't, neither?
    Hasta pronto, porque la vida no termina aqui...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latrinsorm View Post
    Wouldn't it be fair to say no one hasn't proven that you aren't, neither?
    Exactly.

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    That's why I said wouldn't it.
    Hasta pronto, porque la vida no termina aqui...
    America, stop pushing. I know what I'm doing.

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    More examples of Obama taking responsibility for the economy.

    The economic policy speeches President Barack Obama has been delivering in recent weeks are turning out to be blunt attacks on Republicans, with an eye toward coming fiscal battles and the 2014 congressional elections.

    Obama's basic message across the country, most recently sounded on Tuesday in Arizona, is that while he has made great strides in improving the economy, further progress is being thwarted by Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives.

    By obstructing his proposals, Republicans are hurting the nation's "most vulnerable children," Obama said, along with farmers, the military, home-buyers, middle-class job seekers, immigrants and businesses seeking to hire immigrants.

    From Galesburg, Illinois, to Chattanooga, Tennessee, to Phoenix, Arizona, Obama has been unrelenting in tone, attacking "slash-and-burn partisanship," "phony scandals," and the "gutted" farm bill - all the work of Republicans now spoiling for a fight that "could plunge us back in financial crisis."

    Offering what he considers a moderate position on overhauling policies governing the housing industry, Obama said in Phoenix on Tuesday: "First, private capital should take a bigger role in the mortgage market. I know that's confusing to folks who call me a socialist."

    Republicans, equally combative, began their counterattack even before Obama hit the road on July 24. "He ought to stop threatening to shut down the government unless we raise taxes," House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said. "Americans aren't asking the question 'where are the speeches?' They're asking 'where are the jobs?'"

    The barbs are likely to continue for some time.

    The president and Republicans in Congress confront two major spending showdowns this fall: the first over a bill in September to continue funding the government and the second, probably in October, to raise the government's borrowing power so it can keep paying its bills.


    CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISING WELL UNDER WAY

    The midterm elections, held in years when a president is not being selected, are in November 2014 and fundraising by Democrats and Republicans is well under way. Both parties need issues to inspire contributions.

    It is normal for a president to join the fray on behalf of his party in a midterm election, though White House officials insist that beyond fundraising for Democrats, Obama is not focused at all on the 2014 races.

    "The president is focused on using every day in office to try to advance his agenda and when it comes to affecting the outcome of the midterms, the Republicans appear to be taking the lead on that," said a senior White House official.

    But bit by bit, Obama is building an argument for why he feels many Republicans are willing to do damage to the U.S. economy for political gain.

    Brad Woodhouse, head of the liberal group Americans United For Change, said Obama's speeches are helping to crystallize where the parties stand on the issues in a way that will prove helpful to Democrats in 2014.

    "I think all of us would just prefer get the two parties together and get something done but I think it really does lay the groundwork for a foundation about priorities in midterms," said Woodhouse.

    The potential for a government shutdown over the budget is tricky politics for Obama. On the one hand, Americans have generally sided with the president against attempts to shut down the federal government over budget politics.

    But on the other hand, Obama was widely viewed as the loser in the debate over $84 billion in "sequestration" budget cuts that began in March. In most cases, Americans have simply shrugged and gotten accustomed to the cuts.

    This makes it essential for Obama to make sure the blame falls squarely on Republicans for a government shutdown should one occur this fall.

    "It feels like a campaign and it feels like they are setting it up so he (Obama) can't be blamed if they go to a government shutdown," said one Democratic loyalist.

    While the outcome of the budget showdown could potentially help Obama politically, he still faces difficulty in turning this into votes for more Democratic lawmakers in November 2014.

    Democrats need a net gain of 27 seats to win control of the House. They control the Senate with a 54-46 margin and may see their majority narrowed in 2014.

    Dave Wasserman, an expert on House races at the non-partisan Cook Political Report, said he could not see how Democrats can pick up House seats in 2014, but that Obama has to make an effort to improve chances that he can get some action taken on his agenda before he turns into a lame duck president.

    "Obama has very little choice," he said. "The parties in Congress are so polarized that he can't reasonably search for Republican votes in the House. They simply aren't there on big ticket issues." (Editing by Fred Barbash and Mohammad Zargham)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01 View Post
    To be fair no one has proven that I'm not the hero of integrity and rhetoric.
    lol. No one has to. You prove it every time you open your mouth.

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    The Kaiser Family Foundation has an online calculator you can use to estimate your premium cost and subsidy eligibility based on national averages. It's a crude tool because it is based on national averages and because it fails to take into account that people will be able to pick expensive health plans that cover a lot or cheap health plans that cover only a little.

    ABOUT THIS TOOL

    This tool illustrates health insurance premiums and subsidies for people purchasing insurance on their own in new health insurance exchanges (or “Marketplaces”) created by the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Beginning in October 2013, middle-income people under age 65, who are not eligible for coverage through their employer, Medicaid, or Medicare, can apply for tax credit subsidies available through state-based exchanges.

    Additionally, states have the option to expand their Medicaid programs to cover all people making up to 138% of the federal poverty level (which is about $33,000 for a family of four). In states that opt out of expanding Medicaid, some people making below this amount will still be eligible for Medicaid, some will be eligible for subsidized coverage through Marketplaces, and others will not be eligible for subsidies.

    With this calculator, you can enter different income levels, ages, and family sizes to get an estimate of your eligibility for subsidies and how much you could spend on health insurance. As premiums and eligibility requirements may vary, contact your state’s Medicaid office or exchange with enrollment questions.

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