logs from Monk beta testing

[Fallen]

Troll claws and katars dont. Interesting.

[Androidpk]

Troll claws and katars dont. Interesting.

If any weapons should be on that list it would be those two.

[crb]

troll claws for sure... but I think, rather obviously, they gave a use to the shit no one uses, amiright?

[droit]

It's actually done by which brawling weapons are "worn" over which ones are held. Think cestus or tiger claw. Look at the pictures.

[ThatDamnTep]

It's actually done by which brawling weapons are "worn" over which ones are held. Think cestus or tiger claw. Look at the pictures.

Uh, troll claws are quite clearly worn. They're metal claws attatched to a leather bracer.

[droit]

True. That was probably a balance decision. Who knows.

[Androidpk]

Yeah, cause troll claws are OP.

[droit]

You say, "According to your worn/held deliniation of which brawling weapons work with UAC, troll claws should be acceptable, but they're not."
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Finros says, "The association is a bit loose. It's more a question of what's convenient enough to use while maintaining the same basic form."
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Finros says, "The cesus fits better than, say, a tiger-claw, but the troll-claw is large enough that it would change the basic form of it."
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Finros says, "In the end, one could justify any subset with a fair degree of validity. Or none of them for that matter."
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You ask, "How does weapon DF factor into UAC, anyway?"
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Finros says, "Use of a brawling weapon adds to the DF of the unarmed attack, but it's essentially unrelated to its DF as a melee weapon."
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Finros says, "Brawling weapons used in the UCS have two inherent modifiers -- penalties to the multiplier, and additions to the DF."
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You nod.
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Finros says, "Neither one is numerically connected to its use as a melee attack weapon."
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Finros says, "Conceptually, the heavier weapons have greater MM penalties and higher DF additions."
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You ask, "Are they all the same, or do they vary?"
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You say, "Ah."
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Finros says, "Vary. A cestus is light, for example, while a tiger-claw is heavy."
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You ask, "Independant of normal DF, but probably similar, relatively?"
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Finros nods.
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You ask, "Which is considered the heaviest? tiger claw?"
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Finros says, "Yup."
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You ask, "Even though yierka spur has the highest normal DF?"
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Finros says, "Hmm. I think they're about the same, actually. Tied at the top end."
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Finros says, "Though I may go back and differentiate everything a bit more to make sure there aren't any ties."
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Finros says, "But on the third hand, I'm not sure it'd really be all that noticable anyway."

[fallenSaint]

Well that's certainly disappointing to see them cut out the more entertaining brawling weapons from utility. The Katar I can understand with the dual training requirement, but some of the others I would have liked to see used.

[crb]

Theoretically, there is no reason a monk can't just dual train in brawling right and fight with brawling weapons under the existing combat system, perhaps only using kicks, etc, for their unarmed system, maybe stowing the weapons and fetching them back out, etc.

It isn't as if the unarmed system is their only way of fighting.