Things that made you smile today (Political Version)

[Neveragain]

I didn't say they liked Clinton- I said they didn't like Trump. I didn't make any arguments about their Democratic support. As it happens, they were given a release valve- a third party candidate to vote for instead. Without him, many would likely have stayed at home.

And apologies for throwing out numbers and not sourcing them.

They're from Pew's Religion Forum.

Compare the message coming from each party, now put yourself in the shoes of people coming from a religion that believes the United States is the promised land and American Indians the lost tribe. The gun issue alone makes Mormons auto Republicans.

[~Rocktar~]

Compare the message coming from each party, now put yourself in the shoes of people coming from a religion that believes the United States is the promised land and American Indians the lost tribe. The gun issue alone makes Mormons auto Republicans.

The gun issue alone should make all people Republicans. The issue is, lots of people are stupid and failed history or simply weren't taught something anywhere near the truth about history.

[Methais]

The gun issue alone should make all people Republicans. The issue is, lots of people are stupid and failed history or simply weren't taught something anywhere near the truth about history.

Are you saying that the Un didn’t take out Charlie Chaplin and his band of Nazis and Un-Nazi the world?

[time4fun]

Nope.

Trump Approval Highest Among Mormons, Lowest Among Muslims

Now remember that Mormons broke for Romney and Bush by a larger margin- 80% of the vote. 61% job approval may be high for Trump (let's not forget here- he's the single most unpopular US President in modern US history), but it's actually low for Mormons.

As for the gallup data- it was collected over the course of 2017. It turns out that since 2017, Utah is the state that has had the single biggest dip in approval for Trump. It had already dropped 17 points by the time last September rolled around. As of April, Trump's net approval had dropped from +27 to -6. So over the course of about 15 months, there has been a 33 point swing in net approval in Utah. Now that's not just Mormons, but they are an extremely significant part of the registered voter population in utah (they were 78% of the voters in 2008)

Remember- my original claims were:

It's an easy thing for Romney to hedge on endosring Trump. Trump is actually under water in Utah right now. (But not so much that he's free to be aggressive about it)

As a voting group, Mormons are traditional moral values voters. So they see a President who lies constantly, cheats on his wife with porn stars, and who treats people poorly and are turned off by it.

I didn't say that they Universally despised him- I said that Mormon voters are turned off by him. And a lot of the drop in their support appears to be from the last 5 or 6 months- which also happens to coincide with revelations about a lot of pretty salacious facts about his personal life.

At the same time, White Evangelical supports are now at an all-time high in their support for Trump- it's at 75%.. I believe that exceeds every other demographic (and certainly every other religious group). Mormons certainly are not his highest supporting religious group right now.

[Parkbandit]

Please... keep putting all your faith and hopes in the polling data you deem most accurate. Your subsequent meltdown 2.0 will be just as entertaining.

538 was so spot on.. he fucking nailed it for Trump.. 3am election night.....

[Taernath]

Now remember that Mormons broke for Romney and Bush by a larger margin- 80% of the vote. 61% job approval may be high for Trump (let's not forget here- he's the single most unpopular US President in modern US history), but it's actually low for Mormons.

As for the gallup data- it was collected over the course of 2017. It turns out that since 2017, Utah is the state that has had the single biggest dip in approval for Trump. It had already dropped 17 points by the time last September rolled around. As of April, Trump's net approval had dropped from +27 to -6. So over the course of about 15 months, there has been a 33 point swing in net approval in Utah. Now that's not just Mormons, but they are an extremely significant part of the registered voter population in utah (they were 78% of the voters in 2008)

Remember- my original claims were:


I didn't say that they Universally despised him- I said that Mormon voters are turned off by him. And a lot of the drop in their support appears to be from the last 5 or 6 months- which also happens to coincide with revelations about a lot of pretty salacious facts about his personal life.

At the same time, White Evangelical supports are now at an all-time high in their support for Trump- it's at 75%.. I believe that exceeds every other demographic (and certainly every other religious group). Mormons certainly are not his highest supporting religious group right now.

You can't make the claim that "Mormons are turned off by Trump" when as of a few months ago (according to most recent, reliable polling data) 61% of them approved of his performance, well above the national average.

You also can't extrapolate reliable Mormon-specific data from a general poll.

Here's a question for you: why would Evangelical approval rating rise to 75% and Mormons' tank when they share many of the same values and have always polled very similarly in the past?

[cwolff]

You can't make the claim that "Mormons are turned off by Trump" when as of a few months ago (according to most recent, reliable polling data) 61% of them approved of his performance, well above the national average.

You also can't extrapolate reliable Mormon-specific data from a general poll.

Here's a question for you: why would Evangelical approval rating rise to 75% and Mormon's tank when they share many of the same values and have always polled very similarly in the past?

You can't make the claim that "Mormons are turned off by Trump" when as of a few months ago (according to most recent, reliable polling data) 61% of them approved of his performance, well above the national average.

You also can't extrapolate reliable Mormon-specific data from a general poll.

Here's a question for you: why would Evangelical approval rating rise to 75% and Mormons' tank when they share many of the same values and have always polled very similarly in the past?

So nice, he said it twice! LOL

I really like McMullin. I hope he gets more involved in 2020. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't run for the Senate seat.

[Neveragain]

The gun issue alone should make all people Republicans. The issue is, lots of people are stupid and failed history or simply weren't taught something anywhere near the truth about history.

I don't think it's that they failed history, I think they carry the attitude that all this stuff happened in the past. That we have reached some new level of consciousness and humans are beyond the need for such things.

[~Rocktar~]

I don't think it's that they failed history, I think they carry the attitude that all this stuff happened in the past. That we have reached some new level of consciousness and humans are beyond the need for such things.

That could be true. I honestly believe that at least in high positions that they view private possession of weapons as a hurdle to complete subjugation/control. I believe that the higher ups seem to think that most people simply aren't smart/wise/good/responsible/whatever enough to own weapons.

[Gelston]

Debbie Lesko won the Arizona special election.