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    Default If ya ain't cheatin, ya ain't tryin!

    Fuckin Patriots.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...e-wells-report

    The Wells report was released on Wednesday, and included a mountain of information regarding the Patriots' involvement with the treatment of footballs before the AFC Championship.

    We have heard from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and many players from around the league since the report came out. We will have to wait for potential discipline for Tom Brady and/or the Patriots organization.

    In the meantime, you could peruse all 243 pages of the Wells Report. Since most humans don't have time to read through it all, we've gone through and chosen some of the key passages:

    » "It is more probable than not that New England Patriots personnel participated in violations of the Playing Rules and were involved in a deliberate effort to circumvent the rules."]

    » The Wells Report concludes "it is more probable than not that Jim McNally (the Officials Locker Room attendant for the Patriots) and John Jastremski (an equipment assistant for the Patriots) participated in a deliberate effort to release air from Patriots game balls after the balls were examined by the referee."

    » "It is more probable than not that Tom Brady (the quarterback for the Patriots) was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls."

    » The kicking ball was a different matter: The Wells Report concludes "that there was no deliberate attempt by the Patriots to introduce to the playing field a non-approved kicking ball during the AFC Championship Game."

    » "No other Patriots personnel participated in or had knowledge of the violation of the Playing Rules or the deliberate effort to circumvent the rules described in this Report."

    » The Wells Report found no evidence "there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick or any other Patriots coach in the matters investigated. We also do not believe there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots Head Equipment Manager Dave Schoenfeld."

    » Patriots counsel rejected second interview with McNally despite five written requests to do so.

    » McNally took two bags of game balls from Officials Locker Room before start of AFC Championship without receiving permission of referee Walt Anderson. Anderson says that had never happened before in his career.

    » Video evidence from pregame of AFC Championship shows McNally detouring to bathroom with two bags of game balls after taking them from officials' dressing room. He remained in bathroom for 1 minute, 40 seconds and then took both bags to field.

    » McNally was interviewed by NFL Security after AFC Championship Game. During that interview he never mentioned taking balls into bathroom. Initially, he stated he walked directly to field.

    » The Colts notified NFL before AFC Championship Game that they suspected Patriots might be deflating game balls.

    » At halftime of AFC Championship Game, two alternate game officials tested 11 Patriots game balls and four Colts game balls.

    » The Patriots ball intercepted by the Colts was not among the eleven Patriots balls tested. Each official used a separate air pressure gauge provided by referee Anderson that Anderson had brought with him to the game, one of which also had been used by Anderson for his pre-game inspection. Each of the 11 Patriots balls tested at halftime measured below the minimum 12.5 psi level established by the Playing Rules on both gauges. Each of the four Colts balls tested measured within the permissible 12.5 to 13.5 psi range on at least one of the gauges. The measurements were recorded in writing by Richard Farley, an NFL security official who has been assigned to the Patriots and Gillette Stadium for approximately twelve years. Only four Colts balls were tested because the officials were running out of time before the start of the second half.

    » All 11 Patriots balls were inflated back to permissible pressure level. The four Colts balls were not because they were within permissible level.

    » Tom Brady appeared for a requested interview and answered questions voluntarily, he declined to make available any documents or electronic information (including text messages and emails) that investigators requested.

    » Richard Farley, security rep for the Patriots and the NFL said he has never been in a situation before the AFC Championship Game where the game balls could not be located.

    » McNally claimed he stopped in the restroom and used a urinal. Indicated he has used that bathroom near the field entrance while in possession of the game balls "many times." That bathroom has no urinal.

    » Colts general manager Ryan Grigson notified after interception that ball was under the psi. He notified NFL officials Troy Vincent and Mike Kensil. Both were already notified about the situation and were headed to the field. Kensil and Vincent had already decided to collect all of the game balls and test them.

    » Brady claimed during his interview that he did not know McNally's name or his game-day responsibilities. McNally received two autographed footballs and an autographed jersey from Brady on January 10, 2015. Jastremski received various items of value from Brady during the years including cash tips (common practice), gift cards, memorabilia, etc.

    » Tom Brady and Patriots coach Bill Belichick spoke about the issue before a team meeting on January 22. Brady denied knowledge or involvement. Both then addressed team during meeting with Belichick saying there "was not one shred of truth" to the allegations.

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    the text messages between the equipment manager and locker room assistant are pretty damning. it's pretty obvious brady knew it was going on. fuck 'em.
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    "It is more than probable.."

    Yeah that sounds real reassuring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androidpk View Post
    "It is more than probable.."

    Yeah that sounds real reassuring.
    That is a strange turn of phrase that doesn't really tell you anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archigeek View Post
    That is a strange turn of phrase that doesn't really tell you anything.
    I got the impression that the NFL didn't want to admit that they had crappy oversight rules.

    I have no intention of reading the report, but on talk radio yesterday, I heard the bulk of the text messages from the locker room guys. They were pretty much like two guys clowning around about a co-worker. There was nothing remotely damning. Brady was going to hook one of them up with some footballs and some shoes.

    The only thing that made Brady look like a stiff is that he didn't know one of the guys names who was helping him out. I'm terrible with names myself, and there were plenty of remote coworkers I'd nod politely to over the years, but never really knew their name. At some point you can't really ask what their name is, because you've been nodding politely all those years.

    All in all, just more terrible logic and bad science.

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    I'm more surprised that Goodell wasn't able to give them a slap on the wrist and destroy the evidence. Bad science maybe, but there's history here.
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    Hard to get damning proof when they decline to participate in the investigation isn't it? I will admit I didn't read the report, but there seemed to be a lot of refusal to participate. To me, that's the most damning part of all of it.

    Honestly, I'm surprised they use different balls for each team. That just makes no sense to me. It's a football game: use one ball for the whole game or until it gets smooshed or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archigeek View Post
    Honestly, I'm surprised they use different balls for each team. That just makes no sense to me. It's a football game: use one ball for the whole game or until it gets smooshed or something.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archigeek View Post
    Hard to get damning proof when they decline to participate in the investigation isn't it? I will admit I didn't read the report, but there seemed to be a lot of refusal to participate. To me, that's the most damning part of all of it.
    That, and somehow they were able to get text messages between the two. References to over-inflating balls to make Brady unhappy, and one referring to himself as the "deflator." Nothing that specifically says "I deflated footballs for Tom Brady," but its easy enough to read between the lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elcidcannon View Post
    That, and somehow they were able to get text messages between the two. References to over-inflating balls to make Brady unhappy, and one referring to himself as the "deflator." Nothing that specifically says "I deflated footballs for Tom Brady," but its easy enough to read between the lines.
    The football is allowed a certain range of psi and quarterbacks have different preferences. Brady being anal about it doesn't mean he conspired to have the weight decreased to below the allowed amount.
    Last edited by Androidpk; 05-07-2015 at 02:15 PM.

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