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    THIS THREAD CONTAINS BOOK AND TV SPOILERS. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.

    I haven't read the book and I have no idea how closely the HBO series follows them but, I just spent a week watching the first three seasons so I'm all caught up for the new season that starts tomorrow night. My question is...who the fuck is Jon Snow's mother?

    My speculation is that his parentage does not include Ned Stark at all but instead that he is Robert Baratheon's trueborn son by Cersei Lannister.

    Now hear me out!

    1. Cersei enters Bran's room as he lay unconscious from being pushed out a window by Jaime Lannister. She then described to Cat how she lost her firstborn son (a boy with beautiful black hair).

    2. Cersei loves her brother and wants her son by him to be king. The only way to accomplish this is by removing Robert's son from the line of succession. Cersei is cold-hearted but not cold-hearted enough to murder her own child. The only way to remove that child entirely is to make Robert and everyone else believe it dead.

    3. The only way she can enlist Ned Stark's help is to tell him the child is a bastard, that Robert is not the father. She knows Stark as a man of honor. He would never standby and allow a child who was not Robert's inherit the throne but he'd also be aware that telling Robert would mean the death of the child and probably the mother.

    4. Both Jaime and Tyrion show a marked interest in Jon Snow when they visit Winterfell. Tyrion even goes so far as to escort him to the Wall.

    5. It's also possible that Cersei really believes the child died because she stated they took it away before she could see it. Which leads to the possibility that one or both of her brothers are responsible for the lie and getting Stark's help.

    So how far off am I from the book? Is that question answered? Maybe it got asked and answered in the other GoT threads but I've not read them

    Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the new season! I haven't had as much fun speculating about some aspect of a TV series since BSG.
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    You are way off, and I haven't watched the TV show, so I don't know what all parts are left out.
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    Why am I way off?

    Spoilers are okay.
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    I think that's one of the reasons Stark died, not only did he realize Joffrey was a bastard but that Jon was not a bastard.
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    The popular feeling on the interwebs is that Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar the Black Prince and Lyanna Stark, Ned's sister. Robert rebelled after he was told Rhaegar stole (?) Lyanna away, and in the very first episode of the TV gives an inkling. In the godswood of Winterfell, one of the trees has R + L = J inside of a heart carved. In the books Ned is haunted by the final words of Lyanna saying "Promise me, Ned.", followed by Ned bringing him Jon Snow.
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    Does anyone actually believe the mother is Wylla? I think Stark lied to Robert because what was the alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeril View Post
    You are way off, and I haven't watched the TV show, so I don't know what all parts are left out.
    I do know that the answer is not given in the books. I just don't know what hints are given though.

    So whatever you think is just speculation. Share!
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    In the books, the belief is that if Ned had anyone it was Ashara Dayne, the daughter of one of the prior Kingsguard ( The Sword of the Morning ). After Ned being the honorable person he is, told her that her father died it may have been "consoling" that lead to Jon Snow if you believe that tendril. Afterwards, Ashara Dayne throws herself off a tower from grief.

    ....You should really read the series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stunseed View Post
    ....You should really read the series.
    I tried. It couldn't hold my interest. I'm enjoying the series though.

    Also, I think the Dayne woman is going to turn out to be a red herring.
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    I do not believe Jon is rhaegars son. Unless rhaegar had 2 sons. Finish a dance with dragons and you'll understand what I mean.

    I apologize, the other son I'm speaking of was from another woman. Not the stark woman.

    Jon could very well be rhaegars son. I certainly do not believe he is ned's bastard son. Never did.
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