GMs giving up on silvers?

[Realk]

They should just make more gowns and pets and shit.. Girls pay way to much to that crap.

[Tgo01]

For years the Simu response to people asking for a full time paid coder to work on the game has been "But that wouldn't be fair to the GMs! They don't get paid!"

Now GMs are apparently better paid than actual paid employees of Simu. So what is their excuse now for not hiring a full time paid coder to work on the game? Like, just straight work on the game, not put off shit because they don't feel like it, not only work on their pet projects, not get pulled away every damn month to work on yet another paid event.

They have no excuse, but the player base seems to be okay with the current state of work being done on the game I guess.

[Ramrod]

I don't disagree. I'm just saying that P2W GMs can make a killing from the sound of it, and not really "beer and pizza" money like what used to be the case.

I edited the previous post to include Wyrom's Discord post after I found it.

I have no clue what Wyrom makes. It's more than an entry level math instructor at a college. 4% raises most years is barely more than a cost of living adjustment. Over the last 10 years, the average cost of living adjustment for Social Security has worked out to 2.75% per year. That's Social Security adjustments so on the lower end. I'm guessing Wyrom's "raises" work out to about the same and he's making the same amount as he did year 1 when you factor in cost of living.

My god. He's in charge of balancing the economy.

So my bad, maybe? I don't know how many hours the GM's work that make more than Wyrom pulls in or what their various skillsets are. I'm sure most programming jobs pay better than what a staff GM at Simu is making. Also, Wyrom is probably counting the lockdown year in that statement where profit was unreasonably high.

[Neveragain]

For years the Simu response to people asking for a full time paid coder to work on the game has been "But that wouldn't be fair to the GMs! They don't get paid!"

Now GMs are apparently better paid than actual paid employees of Simu. So what is their excuse now for not hiring a full time paid coder to work on the game? Like, just straight work on the game, not put off shit because they don't feel like it, not only work on their pet projects, not get pulled away every damn month to work on yet another paid event.

They have no excuse, but the player base seems to be okay with the current state of work being done on the game I guess.

Honest question. If you owned Microsoft, would you still hire coders to make updates to Windows 3.1?

Also

If you were a coder would you waste your time going to work writing code for a no-name text based game or Activision?

The first comment I get from people when I link them to GSIV is "Jesus, this homepage looks like it's from the 90's"

It was over when SIMU lost the race in 2005.

[Tgo01]

Honest question. If you owned Microsoft, would you still hire coders to make updates to Windows 3.1?

If Windows 3.1 still made money I would. I get that GS is a dinosaur, but it's a dinosaur that is still pulling in millions of dollars a year, or whatever the amount is.

[Methais]

I have no clue what Wyrom makes. It's more than an entry level math instructor at a college. 4% raises most years is barely more than a cost of living adjustment. Over the last 10 years, the average cost of living adjustment for Social Security has worked out to 2.75% per year. That's Social Security adjustments so on the lower end. I'm guessing Wyrom's "raises" work out to about the same and he's making the same amount as he did year 1 when you factor in cost of living.

My god. He's in charge of balancing the economy.

So my bad, maybe? I don't know how many hours the GM's work that make more than Wyrom pulls in or what their various skillsets are. I'm sure most programming jobs pay better than what a staff GM at Simu is making. Also, Wyrom is probably counting the lockdown year in that statement where profit was unreasonably high.

I have no clue either, I'd guess 50-70k per year give or take, but that's just a wild guess that's not based on anything at all.

Probably safe to say it's at least 12k though.

[Tgo01]

If they offered Wyrom 12k a year it really makes me wonder how much Solomon got paid, because I seem to recall he bitched about his pay and how shitty he was treated after he was fired/quit/whatever happened to him.

[Sean]

But back then people generally looked at GH/GMing as like a supplemental income type "job" playing a game that you loved. I'm not so sure it's that anymore but 12k a year to someone you know has a family they're trying to support is pretty nuts even 10 years ago

[Methais]

But back then people generally looked at GH/GMing as like a supplemental income type "job" playing a game that you loved. I'm not so sure it's that anymore but 12k a year to someone you know has a family they're trying to support is pretty nuts even 10 years ago

10 years ago you could make more than that just farming silver. I think 2017 was the last time I remember silvers going for $10 per. I could pull in 100m a month just solo farming the Confluence around that time.

[Sean]

10 years ago you could make more than that just farming silver. I think 2017 was the last time I remember silvers going for $10 per. I could pull in 100m a month just solo farming the Confluence around that time.

To be fair you could make that working at McDonalds too