Biden vaccine mandate blocked!

[time4fun]

The Supreme Court did not say the federal government cannot mandate a private citizen be vaccinated, though, they only said that OSHA cannot do so without the plain authorization of Congress. This distinction is mentioned six times in the majority decision and another fourteen(!) in Justice Gorsuch's concurrence, including a reference to an actual current federal law where Congress did in fact mandate a private citizen be vaccinated under certain circumstances.

You've heard a lot about federalism in the lead up to and especially the follow up of this decision. I encourage you to read the actual decision for yourself, and once you see how far you have been led astray, perhaps reconsider all the other things you've heard from those same sources: perhaps this isn't the first time you were so hoodwinked.

Yeah, the short-term concern is how many lives end up lost due to their decision.

But ultimately this was just SCOTUS's latest swipe at the administrative state (and yet another flagrant disregard for Precedent). There are some serious long-term consequences for the ability of our nation to function if they keep up the trajectory they're very intentionally on right now

[Tgo01]

Yeah, the short-term concern is how many lives end up lost due to their decision.

Is this going to be the new narrative? The supreme court is to blame for people dying and not Biden? What a joke.

[Gelston]

Yeah, the short-term concern is how many lives end up lost due to their decision.

But ultimately this was just SCOTUS's latest swipe at the administrative state (and yet another flagrant disregard for Precedent). There are some serious long-term consequences for the ability of our nation to function if they keep up the trajectory they're very intentionally on right now

Any lives lost are up to the individual.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Any lives lost are up to the individual.

+1 and always has been.

[Latrinsorm]

You literally said what I said...

If you work for the Federal Government - which is a persons choice - then mandated vaccines are an accepted risk of that job. Exemptions are allowed.

If you control a company - the company can make the determination of their requirements to work there.. and again.. it's a persons choice to work there or not. Exemptions are allowed.

If the President is "MANDATING" that every person "MUST" get a vaccine, regardless of their personal belief/medical condition/status... then that is unconstitutional. The President does not have the power, nor should he, to "MANDATE" what an individual does without an option. That is why "LAWS" are created by our "REPRESENTATIVES", debated, and voted on.

The President should NOT have the power to "MANDATE" that a company or individual require something - when it is in regards to that individuals health - and when it is not enacted by the "REPRESENTATIVES" elected to "REPRESENT" their "CONSTIUENTS".

I get you think a Dictator should just be able to wish things into existence... thankfully that's not our system of government. Though, with jackasses thinking like you, not for much longer.

People working at hospitals participating in Medicare and Medicaid are not employees of the federal government. The Supreme Court is very clear on this distinction both in the majority decision and Justice Thomas' dissent: "facilities covered by the interim rule must ensure that their employees be vaccinated against COVID–19." and "medical facilities nationwide order their employees ... to receive a COVID–19 vaccine" respectively, added emphasis mine.

The point that there must be exceptions for personal belief, medical condition, status, or any other criteria is backwards: the Medicare/Medicaid mandate does not provide such exceptions, while the OSHA mandate did. If that was the basis of constitutionality we would have seen the rulings go the other way around, but we didn't.

Thus, the Supreme Court has ruled unambiguously that the President does have exactly the power you believe to be unconstitutional... when it comes to 42 USC 1302, but not when it comes to 29 USC 651 (in the specific present circumstances), even though neither explicitly says the relevant executive agency has the right to require vaccinations. This is why we have a Supreme Court - reasonable people can disagree about what a law says and what it doesn't.

I really think if you took a step back and calmed down a little you'd stop blowing the legal matters so wildly far out of proportion. Your call though.

[Latrinsorm]

Any lives lost are up to the individual.

+1 and always has been.

There are 10,000,000 Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system, rendering vaccination ineffective. What choice specifically can one of those individuals make to prevent their life from being lost?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

There are 10,000,000 Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system, rendering vaccination ineffective. What choice specifically can one of those individuals make to prevent their life from being lost?

All the things they did before Covid as responsible human beings.

[Parkbandit]

There are 10,000,000 Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system, rendering vaccination ineffective. What choice specifically can one of those individuals make to prevent their life from being lost?

[Bhaalizmo]

All the things they did before Covid as responsible human beings.

That is a non answer to the question asked. Your answer, which I might agree with if it applied to your average American, disregards the part where it was specifically about Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system.

[Gelston]

There are 10,000,000 Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system, rendering vaccination ineffective. What choice specifically can one of those individuals make to prevent their life from being lost?

There are hundreds of millions more that don't have these issues. The majority shouldn't have to suffer because of that. Life isn't fair.