Wuhan flu: You all got played AGAIN

[Tgo01]

Honestly this deserves its own thread now.

In case you all missed it: the media, Democrats, "experts", etc, all stated it was a fact that the Wuhan virus originated in nature and said it was nothing but a conspiracy theory and yes even racism to suggest it might have escaped from a lab. Well now those same "experts" are saying it's entirely possible it did in fact escape from a lab.

China has possibly gotten away with murder on a global scale because you all hated Trump too much to even want to look for the truth that China might be to blame for all of this misery.

Let's go to Politi"fact"!

https://www.politifact.com/li-meng-yan-fact-check/

Original "fact" check:

During an interview on Fox News, Yan said the coronavirus "is a man-made virus created in the lab."

The genetic structure of the novel coronavirus, which has been shared by thousands of scientists worldwide, rules out the possibility that it was manipulated in a lab. Public health authorities have repeatedly said the virus was not created in a lab. Scientists believe the coronavirus originated in bats before jumping to humans. Experts have publicly rebuked Yan’s paper, and it’s unclear whether it was peer reviewed.

The claim is inaccurate and ridiculous. We rate it Pants on Fire!

There is now an editor's note at the top of this page:

Editor’s note, May 17, 2021: When this fact-check was first published in September 2020, PolitiFact’s sources included researchers who asserted the SARS-CoV-2 virus could not have been manipulated. That assertion is now more widely disputed. For that reason, we are removing this fact-check from our database pending a more thorough review. Currently, we consider the claim to be unsupported by evidence and in dispute. The original fact-check in its entirety is preserved below for transparency and archival purposes. Read our May 2021 report for more on the origins of the virus that causes COVID-19.

You gotta fucking love it! "We have gone through all of the facts and have rated this claim inaccurate, ridiculous, and 'pants on fire' lying! The facts have spoken!" Months later: "Oh wait, the facts have changed. OUR BAD!"

[Ashliana]

Honestly this deserves its own thread now.

No, it doesn't. But we should never pass up the opportunity to humiliate you, Dreaven, so let's go through each and every one of your totally nonsensical ravings to rob you of even the illusion that you ever know what you're talking about.

In case you all missed it: the media, Democrats, "experts", etc, all stated ...

1) There's a reason you placed "experts" in scare quotes -- which doesn't change anything or confer anything on those experts -- though it certainly foreshadows how emotional and divorced from reality your entire argument is going to be.

2) Those "experts" are, in fact, experts. The experts featured in the article were:

• Nature, of which there isn't a more widely respected, peer-reviewed medical and biological journal.
• NIH's director, Dr. Fauci, who is one of the most respected and widely cited immunologists in the world and has been the director of the NIH since before the majority of Gemstone players were born.
• The World Health Organization, which is composed of the most accomplished medical professionals from all over the globe.
• The Trump administration's Centers for Disease Control
• The Trump administration's Defense Intelligence Agency

3) The media, and Democrats, trust in science for reasons that shouldn't have to be explained to you, but since conservatives in 2021 have lurched so far into crazyland, apparently require you to be reminded: the scientific method has produced more positive outcomes than any alternative, of which conservatives have proposed... None. What would those be, again? Who are the "Real Experts" that know "What's Really Going On" in Dreaven's retarded fantasyland?

the media, Democrats, "experts", etc, all stated it was a fact that the Wuhan virus originated in nature and said it was nothing but a conspiracy theory

Your wishes don't change history:

• Nature's article: Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here.
• WHO's cited claim: "It is probable, likely, that the virus is of animal origin."
• NIH's Dr. Fauci: "(the scientific evidence) is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated"
• Trump's CDC: "The sequences from U.S. patients are similar to the one that China initially posted, suggesting a likely single, recent emergence of this virus from an animal reservoir."
• Trump's DIA: "No credible evidence to indicate SARS-CoV-2 was released intentionally or was created as a biological weapon"

What's that? Dreaven was just forced to LIE OUT OF HIS ASS? His wishes DIDN'T change history to suit his hysterical delusions? The entire premise of his retarded thread is faulty? You don't say!

and yes even racism to suggest it might have escaped from a lab.

No, Dreaven. Your choice (and other conservatives' decisions) to engage in identity politics to deflect Trump's incredible incompetence and mismanagement of the pandemic was called racist. Your feelings don't change history.

Well now those same "experts" are saying it's entirely possible it did in fact escape from a lab.

Except, as we can see above, they all acknowledged that was possible by speaking in terms of probabilities, couching their position with caveats, and directly contradicted your hysterical nonsense. Your pseudo-intellectual and tribal opposition to science doesn't change anything, except for how retarded you appear to be.

China has possibly gotten away with murder on a global scale because you all hated Trump too much to even want to look for the truth that China might be to blame for all of this misery.

You demonstrated:

1) that you didn't understand what scientific authorities were saying about COVID
2) that you're motivated by feelings -- not evidence -- to assign blame to China, that you bought into out of identity politics
3) your lack of understanding that other people are driven by evidence, of which there still isn't to back up the notion that "China's at fault," and that if it's produced, people will appropriately change their mind.

Let's go to Politi"fact"!

https://www.politifact.com/li-meng-yan-fact-check/

Original "fact" check:

You gotta fucking love it! "We have gone through all of the facts and have rated this claim inaccurate, ridiculous, and 'pants on fire' lying! The facts have spoken!" Months later: "Oh wait, the facts have changed. OUR BAD!"

That fact check was an evaluation of Yan's claims of certainty and evidence that COVID "was a man-made virus created in a lab," which she didn't provide evidence for, and other more credible scientific authorities, including those in the Trump administration, weren't persuaded.

Scientists at Johns Hopkins said, of her claims: "contradictory and inaccurate information that does not support their argument.." Source.
Scientists at MIT said, of her claims: "This manuscript does not demonstrate sufficient scientific evidence to support its claims." Source.

That lady hasn't been vindicated, and neither have other conspiracy theorists. Scientists are driven by evidence, of which you currently have none. You are, as always, completely retarded.

[Shaps]

Two situations - which do you think has a higher probability of occurring:

1 - A bat infected with Covid-19 manages to travel/be transported 1000 miles from it's habitat, didn't infect anyone along the way, then infects people in Wuhan.

2 - A government run laboratory, which conducts research on Covid/SARS/All other manner of viruses - which was highlighted in State Department memos the year prior concerning it's research and lax standards - it's own doctors warned about virus research a year prior (Ai Fen) - located in Wuhan - had an incident occur where a virus escaped. Then the government destroyed the laboratories files, muted it's researchers, and hampered all investigations to examine the possibility it was the location of origin.

Now considering that no one can "prove" the bat theory because there is no actual "evidence" (Tip: the bat origin is a theory also - not a fact)... Let me say that again: There is no evidence that a bat in a wet-market was the source, zero/zip/nada - it is a THEORY.... then people claim the "leak" theory is absolutely false, but there is a ton of circumstantial "evidence"... what do you think is actually more likely?


Edit: https://www.contagionlive.com/view/w...-humans-animal

The "experts" now say they don't even know if it originated in Wuhan. They offer multiple "theories" about how it "could have" happened. They tell you to believe them that it "couldn't have" happened because of a Laboratory, but the attempt to investigate the laboratory has been hampered at every stage, and all data scrubbed from the institute.

What evidence again? What's most likely?

I thought we needed "evidence" to "prove" something!! **said in as sarcastic a manner as possible for the idiot above**

[Shaps]

Oh.. and China, the "experts", and "scientists" would never intentionally lie, mislead, or just be flat out wrong:

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-...uardian-2020-4

[Neveragain]

No, it doesn't. But we should never pass up the opportunity to humiliate you, Dreaven, so let's go through each and every one of your totally nonsensical ravings to rob you of even the illusion that you ever know what you're talking about.



1) There's a reason you placed "experts" in scare quotes -- which doesn't change anything or confer anything on those experts -- though it certainly foreshadows how emotional and divorced from reality your entire argument is going to be.

2) Those "experts" are, in fact, experts. The experts featured in the article were:

• Nature, of which there isn't a more widely respected, peer-reviewed medical and biological journal.
• NIH's director, Dr. Fauci, who is one of the most respected and widely cited immunologists in the world and has been the director of the NIH since before the majority of Gemstone players were born.
• The World Health Organization, which is composed of the most accomplished medical professionals from all over the globe.
• The Trump administration's Centers for Disease Control
• The Trump administration's Defense Intelligence Agency

3) The media, and Democrats, trust in science for reasons that shouldn't have to be explained to you, but since conservatives in 2021 have lurched so far into crazyland, apparently require you to be reminded: the scientific method has produced more positive outcomes than any alternative, of which conservatives have proposed... None. What would those be, again? Who are the "Real Experts" that know "What's Really Going On" in Dreaven's retarded fantasyland?



Your wishes don't change history:

• Nature's article: Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here.
• WHO's cited claim: "It is probable, likely, that the virus is of animal origin."
• NIH's Dr. Fauci: "(the scientific evidence) is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated"
• Trump's CDC: "The sequences from U.S. patients are similar to the one that China initially posted, suggesting a likely single, recent emergence of this virus from an animal reservoir."
• Trump's DIA: "No credible evidence to indicate SARS-CoV-2 was released intentionally or was created as a biological weapon"

What's that? Dreaven was just forced to LIE OUT OF HIS ASS? His wishes DIDN'T change history to suit his hysterical delusions? The entire premise of his retarded thread is faulty? You don't say!



No, Dreaven. Your choice (and other conservatives' decisions) to engage in identity politics to deflect Trump's incredible incompetence and mismanagement of the pandemic was called racist. Your feelings don't change history.



Except, as we can see above, they all acknowledged that was possible by speaking in terms of probabilities, couching their position with caveats, and directly contradicted your hysterical nonsense. Your pseudo-intellectual and tribal opposition to science doesn't change anything, except for how retarded you appear to be.



You demonstrated:

1) that you didn't understand what scientific authorities were saying about COVID
2) that you're motivated by feelings -- not evidence -- to assign blame to China, that you bought into out of identity politics
3) your lack of understanding that other people are driven by evidence, of which there still isn't to back up the notion that "China's at fault," and that if it's produced, people will appropriately change their mind.



That fact check was an evaluation of Yan's claims of certainty and evidence that COVID "was a man-made virus created in a lab," which she didn't provide evidence for, and other more credible scientific authorities, including those in the Trump administration, weren't persuaded.

Scientists at Johns Hopkins said, of her claims: "contradictory and inaccurate information that does not support their argument.." Source.
Scientists at MIT said, of her claims: "This manuscript does not demonstrate sufficient scientific evidence to support its claims." Source.

That lady hasn't been vindicated, and neither have other conspiracy theorists. Scientists are driven by evidence, of which you currently have none. You are, as always, completely retarded.

This is classic. "We blocked and silenced everyone that was trying to provide evidence" to "They didn't provide evidence".

The gas lighting is strong.

[Ashliana]

This is classic. "We blocked and silenced everyone that was trying to provide evidence" to "They didn't provide evidence".

The gas lighting is strong.

Interesting. Who was "blocked and silenced," by whom, and by what means?

Your wishes don't change history. And Dreaven's claims were demonstrably incorrect. Sorry you're butthurt about it, though. Make a specific claim, like Dreaven, and it'll similarly be a pleasure to dismantle it.

Whose administration do you think was in power? Hmm.. Whose administration do you think anyone with evidence could have gone to in order to "set the record straight"? Hmm...

So let's get this straight. You guys think a worldwide, unaffiliated community of doctors and scientists.. are all conspiring .. to block and silence people "trying to provide evidence" (which just hasn't become public for some reason).. and you're upset people have been called conspiracy theorists.

You don't say. It's almost like you didn't think any of this out. But -- no! That can't be!

[~Rocktar~]

Interesting. Who was "blocked and silenced," by whom, and by what means?

Your wishes don't change history. And Dreaven's claims were demonstrably incorrect. Sorry you're butthurt about it, though. Make a specific claim, like Dreaven, and it'll similarly be a pleasure to dismantle it.

Whose administration do you think was in power? Hmm.. Whose administration do you think anyone with evidence could have gone to in order to "set the record straight"? Hmm...

So let's get this straight. You guys think a worldwide, unaffiliated community of doctors and scientists.. are all conspiring .. to block and silence people "trying to provide evidence" (which just hasn't become public for some reason).. and you're upset people have been called conspiracy theorists.

You don't say. It's almost like you didn't think any of this out. But -- no! That can't be!

The Chinese dentist that originally posted on a Chinese forum warning about it was arrested for posting and then killed in custody. There was this nice Chinese virologist lady that made a video and has disappeared. Then lots of doctors with dissenting views have been silenced, ridiculed and blacked out on social media and that is a fact.

The fact that you think that the science community of the top minds in the world are somehow all "independent" is cute. These groups of people are like 1000 or less people and they pretty much all know each other. And since they are all funded by the same groups, yes, it's easy to see for those that aren't choking on Biden dick such as yourself.

Next you mention "proof" and yet, in the face of large amounts of proof, the media has covered up loads of things that were true and yet you still believe "Russian collusion."

Piss off pathetic whanker.

[drauz]

Two situations - which do you think has a higher probability of occurring:

1 - A bat infected with Covid-19 manages to travel/be transported 1000 miles from it's habitat, didn't infect anyone along the way, then infects people in Wuhan.

2 - A government run laboratory, which conducts research on Covid/SARS/All other manner of viruses - which was highlighted in State Department memos the year prior concerning it's research and lax standards - it's own doctors warned about virus research a year prior (Ai Fen) - located in Wuhan - had an incident occur where a virus escaped. Then the government destroyed the laboratories files, muted it's researchers, and hampered all investigations to examine the possibility it was the location of origin.

Now considering that no one can "prove" the bat theory because there is no actual "evidence" (Tip: the bat origin is a theory also - not a fact)... Let me say that again: There is no evidence that a bat in a wet-market was the source, zero/zip/nada - it is a THEORY.... then people claim the "leak" theory is absolutely false, but there is a ton of circumstantial "evidence"... what do you think is actually more likely?


Edit: https://www.contagionlive.com/view/w...-humans-animal

The "experts" now say they don't even know if it originated in Wuhan. They offer multiple "theories" about how it "could have" happened. They tell you to believe them that it "couldn't have" happened because of a Laboratory, but the attempt to investigate the laboratory has been hampered at every stage, and all data scrubbed from the institute.

What evidence again? What's most likely?

I thought we needed "evidence" to "prove" something!! **said in as sarcastic a manner as possible for the idiot above**

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huanan...olesale_Market

[Ashliana]

The Chinese dentist that originally posted on a Chinese forum warning about it was arrested for posting and then killed in custody. There was this nice Chinese virologist lady that made a video and has disappeared.

So let's get this straight -- you're trying to claim a worldwide conspiracy because of actions the communist Chinese government took against its own citizens?

Then lots of doctors with dissenting views have been silenced, ridiculed and blacked out on social media and that is a fact.

Who was silenced by whom? Certain people were banned from certain social media for spreading misinformation during a pandemic without evidence. You, some retarded conspiracy theorist on a forum making unspecific claims doesn't constitute "facts."

The fact that you think that the science community of the top minds in the world are somehow all "independent" is cute.

The fact that you think a worldwide community of scientific organizations that have no connection to each other beyond contributing to a shared field of expertise are somehow all a single entity is cute.

These groups of people are like 1000 or less people and they pretty much all know each other.

The more specific the expertise, the smaller the community, and the more directly they share information. That doesn't lend credibility to your nonsensical conspiracy theories.

And since they are all funded by the same groups, yes, it's easy to see for those that aren't choking on Biden dick such as yourself.

Ah, yes.. the Biden dick choking that occurred.. during the Trump administration .. Again, it's like you didn't think any of this out. But no! Info Wars-reading Rocktard would never believe in fantasy!

Next you mention "proof" and yet, in the face of large amounts of proof

Where is this magical proof you keep talking about but can't demonstrate? We live in the Internet age. Anybody can get a website and publish all the "proof" they want. Independent scientific organizations considered the claims made by Tucker Carlson's batshit insane lady, and found them nonsensical.

the media has covered up loads of things that were true

Which things would those be? How odd, considering how much conservative media there is. But, in reality, you aren't talking about things "being covered up" -- you're talking about people being criticized for making bombastic claims despite not being able to produce evidence, then euphemistically claiming they were "silenced" or things were "covered up."

and yet you still believe "Russian collusion."

Your inability or unwillingness to read only reflects on you. You didn't read the Mueller report, didn't read the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee's report on the issue, et cetera.

Piss off pathetic whanker.

You unironically get your information from InfoWars. That says it all.

[beldannon5]

Anyone else feel that ashalina sits at home just waiting for people to post so she/he can reply. I mean it's crazy or is it? Hey discuss what you want to discuss but dammmnnnn

My thoughts not that they matter: virus was started in the lab, and got out probably on accident. Covid is awful for those who suffer with it. Biden is not a good President but he is the President. Trump hurt everyones feelings. Okay back to real life