Selling everything

[Methais]

Nobody is going to miss you though. In fact, you leaving over the caps is going to make them wildly popular.

I wish you were leaving.

[Methais]

apparently it’s not based on toons. MAer’s are hitting the cap regardless of which toon they use to search. It could be based on grouping mechanics. Aka if you’re grouped you ALL share the cap. Anyhow sisilvers going to be rare as fuck now.

This seems to be how it works, at least if group member are contributing to the kill.

What I'm not sure of is if that makes group hunting super inefficient now as far as loot goes, or if the "loot pressure" is split evenly between group members or rotates or how that part works. I'm sure Simu went with whatever will fuck the group over the most, since that's how they typically roll.

If so then gg Simu for disincentivizing group hunting across the board.

This is definitely my experience as well. I didn't loot hardly anything on my bard/wiz, and everything on my rogue, and none of them are getting shit now. Seems like I topped out around 40m or so across 3 characters. Some of that is actually from a fourth account with sub 50 characters not making a ton of money so I'd say it's negligible.

I usually run 3 characters and it seems to be around 25m for me, and it feels like I'm pretty close to the hard cap now.

So simu lied again when they said it was account based. They penalize ma groups too now. LOL

I think they set it so the entire group gets fucked, so soloing 3 characters until loot cap > group hunting 3 characters until cap regardless of who's looting.

I’m honestly kinda glad they are “kicking out” the silver farmers. I think Wyrom sees something happening, especially in the past year of COVID, with the population.

Possibly a renaissance of sorts for GS and he wants to steer the game (and product) into a more sustainable place, rather than constantly being dependent on a handful of whales and people trying to profit in RL off the game.

Maybe... not sure how smart he is in RL.

I don't see how this would add up, since Simu makes most of their money from DR, where whales and farming will remain business as usual.

DR will also be the new big source of silvers.

Yeah I mean I maintain a premium account and 3 standard. That's $80/month or just over $1,000 per year and way more than I pay for any other game. Hard to imagine they're willing to walk away from that multiplied by however many people are not happy with this cap.

I'm not going to do a knee jerk reaction and quit, as they've said they are still tweaking, but if this continues I'll likely end up packing it in. I capped my characters, which was my goal coming back last March after playing off and on since 95 and dozens of characters to middling levels, so perhaps it's time to call it a good run and to put my nostalgia away. I don't play to make a profit, but I'm also not going to throw thousands of dollars into DR books to get the gear I want. I have always sold just enough for cash to break even on my expenses, the rest I build up in gear.

While Astrenoir may not be missed, I do believe others will be. But that is always the case in anything, especially a 30+ year old game. But maybe not, and perhaps this will be great for GS. Time will tell.

The problem here is even for people who don't sell silvers, now there's really nothing left to do at cap. Loot at least made things interesting, and Ascension is bland as fuck and I don't expect it to get anymore creative than just more +1 to stuff.

I'm probably downgrading my Premium account after DR, and will probably consolidate my other 2 accounts until the following DR in August or whenever.

You can't take away the one thing that's left to do at "end game" and expect the long time players you just took a shit on to keep throwing money at the game.

Listen to what you’re saying though.

You’re quitting because they are capping loot for sale for RL cash. This isn’t because your loot will be devalued in a in-game sense (in fact you’ll get a return after these changes) but because you can no longer sell in-game loot for cash.

Again, you are quitting because you can no longer make money off the game.

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No no, again, you are quitting because you can no longer make money off the game.

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Yes, yes you are.

Even without cash sales involved, loot is still capped, so your argument falls apart instantly.

Some people farm silvers so they can run DR without throwing cash directly at Simu. Simu still makes their money, but I'll be surprised if books for silvers doesn't go away entirely at some point due to this.

Listen to the new Town square podcast, Wyrom was doing an interview. Basically, he said there hasn’t been these player population numbers since the GSIII/GS4 conversion.


Listen guys...

I’m sorry you lost part of your annual income with these new changes. But some of us are playing to actually play the game, not finance their ebay’d PS5.

Seriously, this is good for the 96% of us.

There also hasn't been a global pandemic that kept most of the world at home for the entire year since the GS3/4 conversion either. Take that away and then let's see how that podcast would have gone.

I don't think it's even related to grouping. I believe they have linked multi-accounters' accounts and have set a cap applied to all of them. I have two basic accounts/characters, both capped, and one hunts for loot and the other hunts for exp. They both seem to hit some sort of soft cap after about a week or so. My estimate is that I get about a quarter of the loot from both of them as normal. I'm even getting about a quarter of the silvers for skins. I've never considered myself a silver farmer or even sold silvers before, so I'm not concerned from that aspect. However, the game just feels less rewarding now.

I don't think this is the case. Earlier this month I'd run around solo after loot was down for Methais, then once I had my alts join the groupo and start contributing to kills, loot picked back up noticeably. If they weren't contributing to kills, loot seemed to go back down.

Why is this Veggies fag acting like he won some kind of moral victory, not everyone has to "farm" silvers like a retard. I just play the game normally and am better than you, deal with it loser

It's because Veggie = macgyver.

This is normal. Not, I fuck around at work and have GS running in the background.

Someone's jelly that they can't play GS while at their gay porn fluffer job. Sorry macgyver.

That's why I am not happy with what they did. They were disingenuous as more than 5% are being affected by this.

I'm all for caps - extreme farming, skinning, shouldn't have a place here. I feel they swung the pendulum too far and is not in sync what was said.

This. I can understand the need for some sort of loot cap with Jah going ape shit with his MA army, but yeah they swung it way too far in the opposite direction.

This is standard practice for Simu though. Swing the pendulum too far, make things even worse, downplay it, then leave it like that forever and tell the players they should be grateful.

[Methais]

Most of the people who think they've hit the cap actually have not hit any cap. You're all a lot more sensitive to this change because it's fresh, but that sensitivity will waiver as you continue to play and realize that you didn't actually cap anything. Do some science. Make a script to track your income, and prove you're getting capped. Proving it with "feelings" isn't helping anyone.

The primary players that this is targeting were raking in 500+ million per month. Last night's conversation on Discord demonstrated that specific players are able to make around 1 million silvers every 15 minutes by knowing how the treasure / loot system works - gaming that system - and making "bank". That's $20.00 an hour people. Not career level income, but definitely a level of income no game should be generating with the ease it was being scripted.

Has the cap impacted the other 90% of the population? Likely not nearly as much as people "feel" they're being affected. I went on a major cold streak for a couple days where 9/10 critters I hunted (in SoS at cap) dropped nothing consistently. Thought I had hit some kind of soft cap because it didn't "feel" normal. The next day nearly every critter was dropping gems, crap clothing, and boxes again. No cap. Was just a string of bad luck with a tiny sample size.





Support your claims that the cap is "bad" with facts, not feelings. Do some actual investigation.

Actual investigation - I've made more than 10 millions silvers (at least on a single account) hunting SoS on 4 different characters (solo) over the past 2 weeks without any slow down in finding loot on creatures. After reviewing my logs and searching for the common phrasing seen when you search a creature that has no loot (had nothing of interest) - you can identify how many times this shows up in your logs.

For example:
1/2 - 350 hits over 7 files
1/3 - 366 hits over 9 files
1/4 - 369 hits over 11 files
1/5 - 247 hits over 7 files
1/7 - 307 hits over 8 files
1/8 - 444 hits over 10 files
1/9 - 227 hits over 7 files
1/10 - 323 his over 7 files
1/11 - 158 hits over 4 files
1/12 - 368 hits over 8 files

So if you look at the average per log file I had 50 creatures with no loot per log file on Day 1 and 46 creatures with no loot per log file on Day 12.

The variance isn't so dramatic and my 4 characters have generated between 12-15 million silvers at least.

It's also been confirmed that you aren't getting lower values for sales any longer - you just stop seeing loot on creatures. The only probable caveat to this is skins. Critter skins can't be outright blocked, so the value for selling skins is probably diminishing over time (along with the system that lowers skin value the more people sell them). Silver amounts in boxes - not being diminished. Silver value for gem sales, or purified gem sales - not being diminished. What should be happening is you get fewer and fewer of these drops until you hit the hard cap (really hard to hit) where you get none.

With my experiment so far, I show no slow down in getting treasure after generating over 10 millions silvers on my main account (at least) and probably between 5-8 million on my second account (because it has a low level monk that I've been leveling).

I don't need a spreadsheet or to parse through my logs to realize that I went from making a few million a day for years, to pulling in almost nothing now, and other things like how magnificent quality skins are worth like 10 silvers for me right now instead of their normal rates, going from filling up on boxes in like 5-10 minutes, with almost all of said boxes having awesome loot in them, to finding hardly any boxes at all throughout the entire day now, etc.

Numbers don't lie, and most people are reporting similar numbers with loot cap stuff. It's not just people "feeling" like they're pulling in less. People are literally pulling in way less.


In other news, WTB Landing shop.

[SonoftheNorth]

Nobody is going to miss you though. In fact, you leaving over the caps is going to make them wildly popular.

You realize you are even less liked than him, right?

[Blazar]

Maerit, it helps to include sample size, AKA how many searches you did. Take a looksie.... and you don't think this is related to the loot cap? Not to mention, the loot I do get at this point is garbage. I can do a round of 25 bandits and get no uncuts, maybe a few zircons and topazes.

Some info:
These characters ALWAYS hunt together.
Hunting SoS and bandits.
~40m made from 1/1-1/13 from silvers/gems. There's some discrepancy here, as I jar a lot of gems, though I am mostly full and have been for a while.

No code has to be inserted here.

[BlueMonkey]

god this is awesome! Gravy trains ended you giant fucking turds!

It has?

I'll triple what I was making for my investments in Gemstone by starting a 2nd team in WoW. 30 days and I'm clearing $2000 more a month.

There's already games that have currency exchanges. They charge a small percentage on the exchange instead of chasing off subscriptions.

[Maerit]

Maerit, it helps to include sample size, AKA how many searches you did. Take a looksie.... and you don't think this is related to the loot cap? Not to mention, the loot I do get at this point is garbage. I can do a round of 25 bandits and get no uncuts, maybe a few zircons and topazes.

I think you have supplied excellent data and put forth real analysis instead of expressing what you "sense" is going on. If you do this a few more days I'd be curious to see if the trend continues or if there were a couple of unlucky days in the mix!

PS - updated the data in my post per your very valid point with search totals! I don't appear to have any loot cap going on based on my data. It could be that I see some slow down towards the end of the month with my hunting style / times and the fact that I have zero trading skill benefit, don't spend time optimizing my sales, and haven't been using any loot boosts.

[Blazar]

I think you have supplied excellent data and put forth real analysis instead of expressing what you "sense" is going on. If you do this a few more days I'd be curious to see if the trend continues or if there were a couple of unlucky days in the mix!

Yeah, I'm taking a little break for a few days, but will be interesting to see how it plays out with a break in there as well. I suspect it may be a sliding scale based on time.... so it's not just X silvers per month.... but X silvers over Y time with a max of Z per month or whatever period of time. So you may get different results and have a "higher" cap if you don't hunt the first week or whatever, but it would just be a perception due to the sliding scale. I don't have any data on this, just a suspicion I have.

Having worked with Devs as a tester, and for a software company, they rarely tell you the truth, just enough to keep you happy. They are also wrong on a fairly regular basis, maybe not intentionally, but due to bugs, misses in design, or just straight up not wanting to reveal anything. When they are wrong, they will fight you for hours and only admit their error if you have the data to prove them wrong. So I don't really trust the GMs statements on this thus far. Of course they are going to say working as intended, and 95% aren't affected. It's just weird they have decided to punish people for playing their game "too much". Kind of backwards. It's like saying, we want you to pay for this, but we only want you to play 100 hours per month.

[BlueMonkey]

Clearing $2,000 a month... exchange rates... dude I’m just trying to relive my angsty teenage years not open up a business.

You’re exactly the reason why this needs to be implemented.

And some of us have figured out how to play video games and make living at it, schmuck.

[Blazar]

Yeah, I was the kid that sat in front of the class and paid attention in school then got a job that actually contributes to society.... I guess I’m a schmuck.

I was the kid that slept through class or read a book, didn't do homework, and made A's on all of my tests and projects, and maintained A's and B's doing it (a C or less in any class got me grounded for the entire 6 weeks). I worked through High School as well, starting when I was 16. I've been gainfully employed at the same company for over 14 years. Some of us are simply capable of more than you is the moral of the story. But you're a snowflake, and need everyone brought down to your level because reasons. Don't worry, we understand little snowflake.