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[Tgo01]

Only in Latrin land can you look at two states, one with more confirmed cases and far fewer deaths than the other one, and say that the state with fewer deaths is a failure yet the state with more deaths is a success.

I also recall telling you I do take this virus seriously but that doesn't mean I live in Crazy World where I think shutting down the country again for 4+ months and printing up money is the way to go.

[Latrinsorm]

Only in Latrin land can you look at two states, one with more confirmed cases and far fewer deaths than the other one, and say that the state with fewer deaths is a failure yet the state with more deaths is a success.

That's not what I said.

I also recall telling you I do take this virus seriously but that doesn't mean I live in Crazy World where I think shutting down the country again for 4+ months and printing up money is the way to go.

And if most people thought like you millions would die needlessly.

Luckily only some people think like you, so only a few hundred thousand will die needlessly.

Thank Heaven for small favors, I suppose.

[Tgo01]

The daily death rate in Texas has been flat at 200-300 or fewer deaths per day for 12 days now. Wasn't Texas supposed to be the next NY with their daily death totals doubling every 2 days until it reached 1000+ deaths a day?

Oh yeah and Arizona never broke 200 deaths a day and Florida's deaths never broke 300 and have been flat at 250 or fewer for almost 2 weeks now, both states were also supposed to be the next NY.

Where all the fear porners at now?

When are any of you going to admit that NY so far has been a unique situation and maybe....JUST MAYBE....it has something to do with Cuomo's order to murder old and frail people living in nursing homes?

[Latrinsorm]

The daily death rate in Texas has been flat at 200-300 or fewer deaths per day for 12 days now. Wasn't Texas supposed to be the next NY with their daily death totals doubling every 2 days until it reached 1000+ deaths a day?

Oh yeah and Arizona never broke 200 deaths a day and Florida's deaths never broke 300 and have been flat at 250 or fewer for almost 2 weeks now, both states were also supposed to be the next NY.

Where all the fear porners at now?

When are any of you going to admit that NY so far has been a unique situation and maybe....JUST MAYBE....it has something to do with Cuomo's order to murder old and frail people living in nursing homes?

In my first post on this subject on June 30th I said the governor of Texas was "coming around", noted (twice!) in mid-July that that turnaround being at "full speed" would prevent us from seeing the death tolls we'd seen earlier, and in a larger sense I said it was inevitable enough Republicans would take real action, that my whole point was we should take action ASAP as possible rather than wait for deaths to rise, and that we should remember this lesson the next time cases go up, because they will.

I know you're very pleased with this "the next NY" bit but when I explicitly and repeatedly said these states were NOT going to get there it's kind of embarrassing to watch. I will also note that I specifically anticipated this "flat deaths!" baloney over a week ago, and that we are still on track for over 440,000 deaths, and that I gave you the actual explanation for why New York's situation appears unique at first glance.

Of course, this is all to be expected when even after the Trump administration has unequivocally disputed your claim about Governor Cuomo you keep screaming about it - because you have given yourself ever so wholly to falsehoods, you can't even consider the possibility of falsifiability in any particular case, so you literally cannot refrain from regurgitating this talking point.

Which is a shame - you are capable of independent thought, and all it would cost is your servility to people who demonstrably don't care if you live or die.

[Tgo01]

When are any of you going to admit that NY so far has been a unique situation and maybe....JUST MAYBE....it has something to do with Cuomo's order to murder old and frail people living in nursing homes?

In my first post on this subject on June 30th I said the governor of Texas was "coming around", noted (twice!) in mid-July that that turnaround being at "full speed" would prevent us from seeing the death tolls we'd seen earlier, and in a larger sense I said it was inevitable enough Republicans would take real action, that my whole point was we should take action ASAP as possible rather than wait for deaths to rise, and that we should remember this lesson the next time cases go up, because they will.

I know you're very pleased with this "the next NY" bit but when I explicitly and repeatedly said these states were NOT going to get there it's kind of embarrassing to watch. I will also note that I specifically anticipated this "flat deaths!" baloney over a week ago, and that we are still on track for over 440,000 deaths, and that I gave you the actual explanation for why New York's situation appears unique at first glance.

Of course, this is all to be expected when even after the Trump administration has unequivocally disputed your claim about Governor Cuomo you keep screaming about it - because you have given yourself ever so wholly to falsehoods, you can't even consider the possibility of falsifiability in any particular case, so you literally cannot refrain from regurgitating this talking point.

Which is a shame - you are capable of independent thought, and all it would cost is your servility to people who demonstrably don't care if you live or die.

I'll admit I just skimmed your post, but did you admit that so far NY has been a unique situation and maybe it has to do with Cuomo's orders to murder old and sick people living in nursing homes? If not what would it take for you to finally admit that?

[Latrinsorm]

I'll admit I just skimmed your post, but did you admit that so far NY has been a unique situation and maybe it has to do with Cuomo's orders to murder old and sick people living in nursing homes? If not what would it take for you to finally admit that?

If New York had a significantly above average percentage of deaths in nursing homes (or even in older age brackets).

Since they in point of fact have significantly below average percentages of deaths in both those demographics, there is no reason to believe Governor Cuomo or any other New York state actor caused nursing home deaths.

With that hypothesis conclusively disproven, we still have a lot more deaths in New York. Why?

Well, we know for a fact New York state's confirmed cases underrepresented actual cases eight-fold and therefore their case fatality rate (deaths / case) is not significantly different than any other state (or, indeed, anywhere else in the world).

And we know for a fact that while Adam Silver led the way in shutting down the country in mid March, mitigation measures did not become understood and widespread until well into April, and we know that even though Texas has a Republican governor it has over ten million Democrats (more than Illinois or Pennsylvania or any state outside of CA/FL/NY), so by the time the disease reached Texas a significant % of Texans (including many Rs too of course) were already practicing mitigation measures which held growth to far lower rates until their state government took action.

Think of it this way. A forest burns down. Another forest over can see that, and some (not all, not even most) trees think "that looks really awful, let's be fireproof". When the fire hits the other forest, the blaze doesn't spread as quickly, because every third tree or so is much less likely to catch. You can see this in the real world with Finland and their rakes... er, roads.

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I'm not sure what about a global pandemic indicated to you that you could skim information about it and have a good bead on things, but so far it's going extraordinarily poorly for you. Take a few minutes! It'll save you having to skim the same response the next time you say the same wrong thing, at least. ;D

[Tgo01]

If New York had a significantly above average percentage of deaths in nursing homes (or even in older age brackets).

Oh right, you're relying on data that has been manipulated by the state of NY to cover up exactly this. I forgot about that.

[Latrinsorm]

Oh right, you're relying on data that has been manipulated by the state of NY to cover up exactly this. I forgot about that.

"The data posted by CMS on the COVID-19 Nursing Home Data website is reported by nursing homes and collected at the federal level by the CDC through the NHSN system. This system is separate from state level COVID-19 data collection efforts."

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Anyone send a welfare check to chicken little's house yet? Poor mental health is a very serious thing.

[Methais]

Anyone send a welfare check to chicken little's house yet? Poor mental health is a very serious thing.

I thought you were doing it?