Possibly returning

[Methais]

I don't know how much most people can make farming silvers, but I'd be very surprised if it was more than I was!

Meant to add...when the Confluence first came out, I was able to pull in like 1m worth of gems per hour before purifying. It was so ridiculous that my bard couldn't purify fast enough to keep up with the supply of new gems I was bringing in. Almost nobody could hunt the place without getting wrecked, so loot was always super top tier, frequently dropping 2-3 gems per kill.

This was before they added plinites, and before the ELR nerf, so I just went nuts in there spamming Rapid Fire 502 and swarms (it also swarmed a lot) would be wiped out instantly and it was super mana efficient. I think coins were going for about $10 per at the time, so I was making tons of money on the side.

Then all that got nerfed and now everything is gay again, but I always have a backup plan for pwnage.

[Fierna]

On an unrelated note, anyone who is expecting to be retiring at 37 should have zero interest in any of this in the first place, as it would pretty much be a fart in the wind. Like Andy Dufresne when he escaped Shawshank.

Anyone with ambitions to retire when still in their 30's would probably never have touched GemStone in the first place.


Huh,come to think of it, said retiree could have played for a couple weeks, enjoyed it, put a mental bookmark vowing to return, worked his ass off trying to retire before 40 and then came back to playing GemStone full time as a retired person selling silvers to us chumps on the PC.

[Stumplicker]

Almost. I remote into my PC at home from my desk at work and do all my pwning that way.

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[Fierna]

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The saddest part, that computer in the picture could actually run Gemstone.

[Methais]

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[Gelston]

I'm glad we were able to make a new player feel so welcome with 16 pages of retardation.

[Methais]

It really helps to have cheap hobbies. I always liked Gemstone and debating with people here so I figured why not - it's something to do. I like talking to intelligent people and unfortunately, I don't get a lot of that IRL. I do feel a lot like Andy Dufresne escaping Shawshank.

I don't think a lot of people have a good idea of what financial independence looks like. Sure, there are people who have inherited great wealth, had super high paying careers, made a fortune in the stock market, or hit the lottery. For my wife and I it was literally saving every penny - avoiding debt at all costs whenever possible, never, ever eating out, buying a 600 square foot foreclosed condo that was unlivable and fixing it up, sharing a vehicle, never going on vacation, working multiple horrible jobs at a time for low pay (at our peak we were working a combined 150+ hours a week), not having kids, rolling our own cigarettes, and finally - enjoying cheap and/or free entertainment. It's not glamorous, but for us free time has higher value than anything. Both my wife and I have worked for years at horrible jobs. Neither of us had high paying careers - we both work in the food industry.

When I say retire - we will not just do nothing (Even if/when we make it to social security age - we both still plan to work at least a few days a week). We are retiring from our "careers" to work in different industries, part time, for lower pay - because we can now afford to do so. We will not be buying a second home, moving to Florida, or playing golf all day (I also don't think most people have an accurate picture of retirement). What we will have, however, is about 40% more free time and a lot less stress. Over time, we will reduce the amount of time we work even more.

Back to what I like about GS - the game doesn't technically end, and is a great pastime (which is why I hope they don't shut the lights out on us - even though I think there's a good chance of it happening at any moment). Although the monetary rewards aren't super, I've always been able to monetize my time here in some way and enjoyed the challenge of doing so. I realize it may seem bizarre / extremist to analyze a $14.95 per month investment or do extensive financial research on a company who owns said investment - but that's the mindset that it's taken us to escape Shawshank. I also enjoy reading and doing research - another pastime of mine. To each their own.

There's nothing wrong with any of that. My point was that if part of that retirement plan is to sell GS silvers like you said earlier in this thread IIRC, then you're doing it wrong. Illegal immigrants working in the field probably make more per hour.

If it's just shit you're doing as a side effect of playing GS, which I would assume you'd be playing regardless but isn't part of your master retirement plan, then that's completely different.

I realize it may seem bizarre / extremist to analyze a $14.95 per month investment or do extensive financial research on a company who owns said investment - but that's the mindset that it's taken us to escape Shawshank. I also enjoy reading and doing research - another pastime of mine. To each their own.

If you can make and sell at least 3m silvers in a month, then GS pays for itself. That's really all that matters as far as analyzing your $14.95 per month "investment."

I think you misunderstood my Shawshank reference though. The Shawshank part didn't matter, that was just a reference to the warden getting all pissed off and saying Andy vanished overnight like a fart in the wind after he escaped. Had nothing to do with the actual escape, or Shawshank, or even really Andy Dufresne. The acutal point was that money from GS silvers should be a drop in the bucket to someone retiring at 37, at least when I still thought you were talking about "real" retirement.

[Methais]

Heh, I think maybe you misunderstood me. Selling GS silver is not part of a retirement plan. It's just something I plan to do as part of my time here. If I can play for free or make a tiny profit from a hobby, that's great. If not, I can live with that, too. Incidentally, before I sold Scintillion, I tried to sell 4 million GS silvers for a $14.95 GOA (a lot cheaper than the going rate) and wasn't able to do so. Perhaps I just had bad luck at the time. Instead, I kept the silvers, sold the character, doubled my money - and started over. I'm still curious to know what people make at the high end selling silvers per week, per month, per year, etc.

We look at everything we spend money on (which we trade hours of our life for) as an investment with ROI - from a pair of socks to a home.

I'm not sure what you mean by "real" retirement. If you mean never having to work doing anything ever again - then no. I think this is where most people don't have an accurate picture. Even if you're able to retire from your main career working full time (like we are next year), and live from passive income - that passive income is still going to require management - so you're still going to have to work in some way, no matter what. For us, we've been able to gradually reduce the amount of time we spend working over time, from careful budgeting and smart investments. We would prefer to work part time at easy jobs (low stress) to managing passive investments (high stress) in our retirement from our full time careers. We haven't figured out a way to completely eliminate all bills (if anyone does - let me know!), and we like to always have our income stream be higher than our expenses. I think too many people are wanting to just reach a finish line where they can sit in a rocking chair all day doing nothing and waiting for their social security check to hit. Not only is this just simply not going to be a reality for most people - it isn't very desirable for us.

"Real" retirement to me is being done with work life and not having to worry about a job, regardless of how one gets there.

I think too many people are wanting to just reach a finish line where they can sit in a rocking chair all day doing nothing and waiting for their social security check to hit. Not only is this just simply not going to be a reality for most people - it isn't very desirable for us.

I don't see why it wouldn't be desirable. I've never met one person ever who didn't have something they'd rather be doing instead of being at work, unless they're a porn star and their job is to bang hot sluts all day, but I don't know any of them personally.

I am still curious to know what people are able to make at the high end.

It's nothing compared to what people used to be able to make, like back in GS3 when Dissipate and his army of halfling clerics and high mana share empaths could crank out multiple 8x+ enchants all day when silvers were selling for like $35 per.

I don't keep track of my numbers so I can't really accurately say I average X amount per month, but it's noticeably less than it was even just a few years ago before nerfs and when silvers were still staying steady at $8 per. Sometimes they sell really fast, sometimes it takes a while. But they always sell.

Pretty sure the current $4.5-5 per is as low as they're going to get though, other than retards selling for 3.xx during Duskruin. Because they're stupid.

[Fierna]

"Real" retirement to me is being done with work life and not having to worry about a job, regardless of how one gets there.



I don't see why it wouldn't be desirable. I've never met one person ever who didn't have something they'd rather be doing instead of being at work, unless they're a porn star and their job is to bang hot sluts all day, but I don't know any of them personally.



It's nothing compared to what people used to be able to make, like back in GS3 when Dissipate and his army of halfling clerics and high mana share empaths could crank out multiple 8x+ enchants all day when silvers were selling for like $35 per.

I don't keep track of my numbers so I can't really accurately say I average X amount per month, but it's noticeably less than it was even just a few years ago before nerfs and when silvers were still staying steady at $8 per. Sometimes they sell really fast, sometimes it takes a while. But they always sell.

Pretty sure the current $4.5-5 per is as low as they're going to get though, other than retards selling for 3.xx during Duskruin. Because they're stupid.

I don’t know, I think Wyrom has a sweet gig. I think he makes around 50k a year with incentive bonuses based on profits.

[Methais]

I don’t know, I think Wyrom has a sweet gig. I think he makes around 50k a year with incentive bonuses based on profits.

He also regularly works like 12-16+ hour days from what I've heard, often 7 days a week, and pretty much around the clock during big events.

If you break it down per hour, it's probably not nearly as good as it sounds, but I guess that would depend on what the P2W bonuses look like too.

But he does have the option to sit around at work naked and beat off on the clock if he wanted to, which has to be worth something.

I don't pretend to know what it's like on that side of things, but I'd imagine it's pretty fucking stressful, and that's before factoring in all the players complaining about various forms of bullshit, most of which are probably justified and have been since like '94 or whatever.