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    Agreed! I must not have been clear enough if that’s what you both got out of that. My apologies. I was saying that the dems lost the 2016 election, and the SCOTUS nomination along with it. The GOP lost the 2018 election, and the right to run the house as they saw fit.

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    McConnell is unilaterally holding up hundreds of pieces of legislation in the senate, does this bother you? He puts virtually nothing forward until he knows the president is in on board. Does that bother you that the legislative branch is acting as a de facto part of the executive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemstonefella View Post
    Agreed! I must not have been clear enough if that’s what you both got out of that. My apologies. I was saying that the dems lost the 2016 election, and the SCOTUS nomination along with it. The GOP lost the 2018 election, and the right to run the house as they saw fit.
    Ah, okay. Makes more sense. Which is why I think Senate Republicans need to do more. They can set up their own inquiry in the Senate Judiciary and subpoena all the people they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gemstonefella View Post
    McConnell is unilaterally holding up hundreds of pieces of legislation in the senate, does this bother you? He puts virtually nothing forward until he knows the president is in on board. Does that bother you that the legislative branch is acting as a de facto part of the executive?
    This is pretty much how Washington has always worked. Pretty much no legislation is put up for a vote until there has been enough votes "lobbied" to move it forward in the process. Other than campaigning, this is what lawmakers spend the majority of their time doing.

    There has always been "100's" of pieces of legislation being held back, which is probably a good thing. Have you seen how retarded these people are?

    P.S. I really suppose it depends on how you view the role of government, is it there to create law or prevent law?
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    Is this important?

    Two foreign-born associates of President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, were among those indicted on campaign finance charges made public on Thursday over alleged schemes to buy political influence on behalf of a Ukrainian government official and a Russian businessman.

    The Giuliani associates had been working with the former New York mayor on a campaign to discredit and former Vice President Joe Biden.

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    All this ire about Pelosi not putting the impeachment inquiry to a full vote and giving Republican's a fair shake at subpeona power is so ridiculously hypocritical.

    Trump and Giuliani have said blatantly that they, nor any member of the Executive branch will comply with the impeachment inquiry. Why should Pelosi then cooperate at all with Republican demands, so they have an opportunity to cherry pick witnesses that Trump alone will demand or to receive document's that Trump will magnanimously comply with?

    McCarthy is demanding something he's not entitled to and until the executive recognizes Congress's constitutional authority, Pelosi is justified in telling him to go fuck off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeR View Post
    Is this important?
    Only if you believe informants should be credible. It's pretty damning, particularly all of the campaign contributions and pay for play meetings setup with the President. Their credibility, such that ever existed is shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    All this ire about Pelosi not putting the impeachment inquiry to a full vote and giving Republican's a fair shake at subpeona power is so ridiculously hypocritical.

    Trump and Giuliani have said blatantly that they, nor any member of the Executive branch will comply with the impeachment inquiry. Why should Pelosi then cooperate at all with Republican demands, so they have an opportunity to cherry pick witnesses that Trump alone will demand or to receive document's that Trump will magnanimously comply with?

    McCarthy is demanding something he's not entitled to and until the executive recognizes Congress's constitutional authority, Pelosi is justified in telling him to go fuck off.
    I mean, they either make it official and get cooperation, or don't make it official and get nothing of substance. Up to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    I mean, they either make it official and get cooperation, or don't make it official and get nothing of substance. Up to them.
    You're pretty deluded if you think Trump will comply with the inquiry if that happens. Hell, even Giuliani was up front in saying they "might" cooperate if it comes to a full vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    You're pretty deluded if you think Trump will comply with the inquiry if that happens. Hell, even Giuliani was up front in saying they "might" cooperate if it comes to a full vote.
    You pretty deluded to think he wouldn't at that point. It would be an official inquiry at that point. Right now it is just Pelosi. Do you really not see the difference?
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