Pelosi officially announces impeachment inquiry

[Alfster]

I really don't know what they care about. Foreign interference is generally where the issue lies.

Impeachment inquiry goes far beyond that tho. Abusing national security systems to hide "bad" calls, having a private citizens acting on behalf of the government, pushing foreign countries to spend money at businesses he owns, not complying with oversight.

You know. As Lindsey Graham put it..."The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day he was subject to impeachment because he took the power from Congress over the impeachment process away from Congress, and he became the judge and jury"

[Gelston]

I really don't know what they care about. Foreign interference is generally where the issue lies.

Impeachment inquiry goes far beyond that tho. Abusing national security systems to hide "bad" calls, having a private citizens acting on behalf of the government, pushing foreign countries to spend money at businesses he owns, not complying with oversight.

You know. As Lindsey Graham put it..."The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day he was subject to impeachment because he took the power from Congress over the impeachment process away from Congress, and he became the judge and jury"

The difference is that the Impeachment process against Nixon had an actual vote in the Judicial committee. This is just some shit Nancy Pelosi started with no vote. That is why the White House is refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of it. They have said if they want to subpoena stuff, make it official.

[Alfster]

That's a weak argument. They have the power for oversight, with or without impeachment

[Gelston]

That's a weak argument. They have the power for oversight, with or without impeachment

Doesn't matter if you think it is or not. It sets an ultimatum.

[Tgo01]

That's a weak argument. They have the power for oversight, with or without impeachment

Oversight doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want. If they want to hold formal impeachment inquiries and expect the White House to fully cooperate then hold a vote on it and get everyone on record so the voters know where their representatives stand on the issue.

Also with a formal impeachment inquiry the minority party would be able to argue for some power in the proceedings, namely they should have subpoena powers. Right now Democrats are the only ones who can subpoena people and of course they aren't going to subpoena anyone the Republicans would want to hear from.

If you're okay with the Democrats running roughshod over the voters and fellow congresspeople in the House you might want to consider that maybe you're not the good guy here.

[~Rocktar~]

Oversight doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want. If they want to hold formal impeachment inquiries and expect the White House to fully cooperate then hold a vote on it and get everyone on record so the voters know where their representatives stand on the issue.

Also with a formal impeachment inquiry the minority party would be able to argue for some power in the proceedings, namely they should have subpoena powers. Right now Democrats are the only ones who can subpoena people and of course they aren't going to subpoena anyone the Republicans would want to hear from.

If you're okay with the Democrats running roughshod over the voters and fellow congresspeople in the House you might want to consider that maybe you're not the good guy here.

This ^^

So much this, if those cowards want to have a vote and make it official, then let's get on it with it. Until then, it's a hoax/political stunt and is only hurting the Democrats in the end. After all, if the party is such a sore loser and wants to shit on about half the country then you can bet that a lot of the middle ground peeps will not be happy when the real campaign advertisements come out showing just how scummy this whole process has been.

[Alfster]

Doesn't matter if you think it is or not. It sets an ultimatum.

It's an odd hill to take a stand on, but yes. Make it official at this point. They have the votes.

I haven't paid as much attention to this over the last week or so because life's busy. Is the reason they haven't made it official because they're protecting Biden from cross examination? Investigate the whole thing in my opinion.

[Tgo01]

It's an odd hill to take a stand on, but yes. Make it official at this point. They have the votes.

I haven't paid as much attention to this over the last week or so because life's busy. Is the reason they haven't made it official because they're protecting Biden from cross examination? Investigate the whole thing in my opinion.

They haven't taken a vote because they are shielding moderate Democrats who won in red districts and they don't want to allow the Republican minority to have any power in this.

Pelosi is waiting for impeachment to become more popular with the American people because she doesn't really believe Trump did anything wrong, she's just using this as a tool to remain in power because after being in power for decades that's all she cares about anymore.

[Alfster]

Oversight doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want. If they want to hold formal impeachment inquiries and expect the White House to fully cooperate then hold a vote on it and get everyone on record so the voters know where their representatives stand on the issue.

Also with a formal impeachment inquiry the minority party would be able to argue for some power in the proceedings, namely they should have subpoena powers. Right now Democrats are the only ones who can subpoena people and of course they aren't going to subpoena anyone the Republicans would want to hear from.

If you're okay with the Democrats running roughshod over the voters and fellow congresspeople in the House you might want to consider that maybe you're not the good guy here.

With the exception of your third paragraph I actually agree with you.

In response to your third paragraph, this whole process needs to be transparent. This whole thing wouldn't even be happening had they not intercepted the whistleblower complaint. Us normal people wouldn't have even known it happened. But the cats out of the bag and it simply needs to be public. Public hearings don't bode well for Trump, hopefully he gets to take the stand and defend his points. I mean Hillary spent 11 hours on Benghazi.

[Alfster]

They haven't taken a vote because they are shielding moderate Democrats who won in red districts and they don't want to allow the Republican minority to have any power in this.

Pelosi is waiting for impeachment to become more popular with the American people because she doesn't really believe Trump did anything wrong, she's just using this as a tool to remain in power because after being in power for decades that's all she cares about anymore.

I mean. More people support impeachment country wide than don't.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox...mp-impeachment