Pelosi officially announces impeachment inquiry

[gemstonefella]

How is Trump an abject failure again? Because of this Ukraine and Russian nonsense?

His accomplishments are things I don't really give two shits about. Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel? Fuck off, who cares.
De-Regulation.....I'm good with a lot of it. I don't trust banks though. They will never work in our best interest.
Tax breaks for his billionaire buddies? Awesome, see my last post about the debt. There was zero reason to cook the books while the economy was already booming.
My 401k was already rocketing up under Obama and to be honest, Ive invested in stuff other than the volatile stock/bonds markets. I've read the history of 1929 and lived through 2008. No way I make those mistakes. Yes, I invest some money in the market, but I have a shit ton of gold and art.
He's shit all over our allies. Say what you want about "countries paying their fair share", but we've been using these countries for their strategic locations for a long time now. A stable Europe is good for us.
Was happy with his war on Isis, and agreed that it is time to bring all our guys home(I live near one of the biggest military bases in the country and have a ton of friends deployed), but then he fucks over our allies again(kurds), and allegedly yanks our troops out but then we just find out he's leaving them there to steal....er guard oil, or moving them to be a mercenary force for Saudi Arabia.

I could go on and on but it's not worth the time it's taken to write this out.

[gemstonefella]

No this was from the transcript that was released of Vindman's testimony. You might be relying on the leaks Schiff released to the media before the transcripts were released.

I was talking about the "transcript" that the Trump team themselves released.

[Tgo01]

His accomplishments are things I don't really give two shits about. Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel? Fuck off, who cares.
De-Regulation.....I'm good with a lot of it. I don't trust banks though. They will never work in our best interest.
Tax breaks for his billionaire buddies? Awesome, see my last post about the debt. There was zero reason to cook the books while the economy was already booming.
My 401k was already rocketing up under Obama and to be honest, Ive invested in stuff other than the volatile stock/bonds markets. I've read the history of 1929 and lived through 2008. No way I make those mistakes. Yes, I invest some money in the market, but I have a shit ton of gold and art.
He's shit all over our allies. Say what you want about "countries paying their fair share", but we've been using these countries for their strategic locations for a long time now. A stable Europe is good for us.
Was happy with his war on Isis, and agreed that it is time to bring all our guys home(I live near one of the biggest military bases in the country and have a ton of friends deployed), but then he fucks over our allies again(kurds), and allegedly yanks our troops out but then we just find out he's leaving them there to steal....er guard oil, or moving them to be a mercenary force for Saudi Arabia.

I could go on and on but it's not worth the time it's taken to write this out.

I guess you don't care that the Kurdish commander personally thanked Trump for the cease fire he brokered between Turkey and the Kurds/Syria?

Trump has followed through on his promise to secure the border, surely that's gotta count for something.

The tax cuts ended up helping a lot of people that weren't Trump's billionaire buddies.

I don't understand how you can just hand wave away the booming economy, not to mention the median household income has grown much faster under Trump than under both Obama and Bush Jr.

Record low unemployment for blacks and Hispanics, increased wages for every ethnic group, got us out of the absurd Paris agreement, we are pumping out so much oil that we are energy independent for the first time since...well a long time. But Trump tells our allies to fulfill their promises to NATO to spend more on their military to counter Russian aggression so I guess none of that matters and Trump is still somehow a Russian asset.

[gemstonefella]

Like I said during Obama's time in office, a managed debt is fine. As long as the economy is growing to compensate for our borrowing then it's fine. The problem was under Obama our spending was increasing by a lot while our GDP was only growing modestly at best. Now the economy is growing so much under Trump that our debt/GDP ratio is expected to stay the same through 2021 even though our spending has increased, unless one of the socialists get into office and completely fucks our economy.

GDP has basically been the same since 2011 with some outliers hitting here and there. I believe 3rd quarter GDP was 1.9% and 2nd quarter was 2.0?

[gemstonefella]

I guess you don't care that the Kurdish commander personally thanked Trump for the cease fire he brokered between Turkey and the Kurds/Syria?

Trump has followed through on his promise to secure the border, surely that's gotta count for something.

The tax cuts ended up helping a lot of people that weren't Trump's billionaire buddies.

I don't understand how you can just hand wave away the booming economy, not to mention the median household income has grown much faster under Trump than under both Obama and Bush Jr.

Record low unemployment for blacks and Hispanics, increased wages for every ethnic group, got us out of the absurd Paris agreement, we are pumping out so much oil that we are energy independent for the first time since...well a long time. But Trump tells our allies to fulfill their promises to NATO to spend more on their military to counter Russian aggression so I guess none of that matters and Trump is still somehow a Russian asset.

The economy, for me, has been booming since 2009. I've had 10 nice years of making a very comfortable living.

How much credit do you give Obama for where we've gone? Any?

[gemstonefella]

I don't feel that is a situation to make light of, but is a good example of sheer colossal waste all around. Should people be removed from office over it? Absolutely yes.

That's fair.

[Tgo01]

I was talking about the "transcript" that the Trump team themselves released.

Yes, you also said Vindman said it was inaccurate and that a lot of information was missing where those ellipses are, yet Vindman himself testified that the transcript was mostly accurate and he even relied on the released transcript during his testimony.

Here is directly from Vindman's testimony:

Q: Is there a word-for-word transcript that is produced of these conversations?
A: I don't believe so.
Q: Okay. So this is usual?
A: Yes, completely normal.

Here are the couple of edits Vindman suggested be in the transcript that were not:

A: Yeah. So page four, bottom of first paragraph, let's see, okay, so that ellipses where it ends with "it,", there was a comment about there are recordings from the President. He said that "there are recordings" of these misdeeds.
Q: Okay. And that ellipses substitues for there are recordings?
A: Correct.
Q: Okay. Was there anything else that was different?
A: There's one other substantive item in the next paragraph from Zelensky, where it says, "He or she will look into the situation specifically to the company" -- it shouldn't be "the company." It should be "to Burisma that you mentioned."

Q: Is there anything else that you recall as being substantively different?
A: Substantively, I think those are the only two items.

Q: But generally speaking, when there are ellipses here, do they replace words?
A: Not always. Like I said, in my notes, if it was a Ukrainian word or something that required some content and it was not in there, I'd replace it, but not every ellipses has something else with it.

And I can't find it now in Vindman's testimony and I'm too lazy to keep looking so take my word for it or not, but Vindman said he didn't think there was any malicious intent in not including his proposed edits.

[Tgo01]

GDP has basically been the same since 2011 with some outliers hitting here and there.

You're kidding right? The GDP has grown about 25% since 2011.

[Tgo01]

The economy, for me, has been booming since 2009. I've had 10 nice years of making a very comfortable living.

How much credit do you give Obama for where we've gone? Any?

I sure as shit ain't giving Obama credit for Trump's economy.

[gemstonefella]

We'll see what happens during his open testimony.