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    Default Any wizards out there with redux?

    Just curious is all.

    I've been trotting along my dwarf warmage and playing him more lately. He's level 34 and is maxed out on spell levels that I will be training him in (he's got a fun backstory I created and his training reflects this and his limited spell knowledge).

    Here's his current skills:
    (at level 34), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
    Skill Name | Current Current
    | Bonus Ranks
    Armor Use..........................| 130 35
    Shield Use.........................| 130 35
    Combat Maneuvers...................| 66 14
    Edged Weapons......................| 130 35
    Physical Fitness...................| 130 35
    Harness Power......................| 130 35
    Elemental Lore - Air...............| 117 29
    Elemental Lore - Earth.............| 141 41
    Perception.........................| 74 16
    Climbing...........................| 117 29
    Swimming...........................| 117 29

    Spell Lists
    Major Elemental....................| 20

    Spell Lists
    Wizard.............................| 13


    At 29 EL:A ranks, he gets his swing RT down to 1 second with 506 running and swinging his 6x falchion.
    I plan on just focusing EL:E at this point....maybe tossing a few ranks into Air eventually to hit the next bonus point for 911 and another open disk spot.
    Only wielding a 4x shield right now - will work on getting one to 7x eventually, then hopefully to T5 for the extra CvA against spells

    A few enhancives to help boost his OHE ranks up a bit, plus the use of EVOKE 902 and COL his current AS is 278.
    If needed I can utilize the self cast tremors and even call wind - should I want to chance the spell hindrance (at it's max low of 7%).
    He's currently wearing some Cuirbouilli Leather equivalent (some 4x, SWCP leather breastplate and some DCP arm greaves).
    I had him learn up to 913 for the added benefit of a spell you're hard pressed to find outside of knowing it and 520 so he could get the base use of Mage Armor.

    He can easily obtain elementals from others. The only real downside I see with him is as he progresses higher in level that his AS will be behind a bit due to the lack of 425 and his DS/TD will lack some because of not knowing 430. I can offset some of the lack of TD with ensorcell on his armor and shield, so I'm not too worried about that.

    With disarm having changed some so you don't outright lose your weapon if you can't steal it back from a creature, I'm not horribly concerned about dumping his CMAN points into disarm. I'll probably focus on Cunning Defense first, then I'll gauge how well my DS is - if rubbing a small statue won't be enough, I may snag up a few ranks of Combat Movement for a few extra points of DS and then work on getting Feint up to rank 3.

    ;redux
    [redux: Level: 34]
    [redux: Primary skills: 35]
    [redux: Secondary skils: 84]
    [redux: Tertiary skills: 35]
    [redux: Redux points: 791.0] (this was at 688 last level, though I'm not sure where this number needs to be before you actually hit redux)
    [redux: Spell ranks: 33]

    In the end (capped, if I get him that far) I plan on having him in brig (sure, he'll have 20some% spell hindrance, but he won't be a big caster of any sorts so it shouldn't really matter) or an equivalent of leather breastplate with accessories. The only big difference between leather breastplate and brig would be the brig would offer 3 extra points on the CvA.


    Anyone have any thoughts, comments or suggestions?
    Last edited by drumpel; 09-12-2019 at 02:22 PM.

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    Well, without 425, and the subsequent AS bonuses you get from training MnE as a warmage, you're going to have to stay under-hunting by around 10 levels to even hit anything for much longer...

    Also, 919 is mostly required for a warmage later in the game since they have to stay in offensive with lowered DS and limited protection compared to sturdier professions.

    I don't know if you'll do well with anything less than 25-30 ranks in MnE (never underestimate 430), 35 ranks (haste is absolutely vital for surviving in RT locking situations) in MjE, and 19 ranks in Wiz. It will also suck to not have 550 to break free from stuns and status effects, but that isn't as big a deal as 425 or 919.
    Last edited by Maerit; 09-12-2019 at 02:41 PM.

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    Minimum points required for redux is approximately 1060 + (2000/level). At level 34 this equates to ~1119 points. The points threshold decreases with higher levels. For a level 100 character the threshold is ~1080 points. Also, the fact that you have spell training does not affect this number. Spell ranks reduce the redux % only. If the test instance is open and you have access, you should be able to verify the number of points required.

    Mark

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    Slowly making my way there.


    This is where I was moments ago:

    [redux: Level: 38]
    [redux: Primary skills: 39]
    [redux: Secondary skils: 96]
    [redux: Tertiary skills: 39]
    [redux: Redux points: 891.0]
    [redux: Spell ranks: 33]

    Here is where I'm at for level 39:

    [redux: Level: 39]
    [redux: Primary skills: 40]
    [redux: Secondary skils: 99]
    [redux: Tertiary skills: 40]
    [redux: Redux points: 916.0]
    [redux: Spell ranks: 33]

    I figure in about 5 (maybe 6) levels he'll finally have his redux! So far the journey has been pretty easy with his training, I'm just curious as to how far it'll take him since he won't be training up any further in spells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumpel View Post
    Just curious is all.

    I've been trotting along my dwarf warmage and playing him more lately. He's level 34 and is maxed out on spell levels that I will be training him in (he's got a fun backstory I created and his training reflects this and his limited spell knowledge).

    Here's his current skills:
    (at level 34), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
    Skill Name | Current Current
    | Bonus Ranks
    Armor Use..........................| 130 35
    Shield Use.........................| 130 35
    Combat Maneuvers...................| 66 14
    Edged Weapons......................| 130 35
    Physical Fitness...................| 130 35
    Harness Power......................| 130 35
    Elemental Lore - Air...............| 117 29
    Elemental Lore - Earth.............| 141 41
    Perception.........................| 74 16
    Climbing...........................| 117 29
    Swimming...........................| 117 29

    Spell Lists
    Major Elemental....................| 20

    Spell Lists
    Wizard.............................| 13


    At 29 EL:A ranks, he gets his swing RT down to 1 second with 506 running and swinging his 6x falchion.
    I plan on just focusing EL:E at this point....maybe tossing a few ranks into Air eventually to hit the next bonus point for 911 and another open disk spot.
    Only wielding a 4x shield right now - will work on getting one to 7x eventually, then hopefully to T5 for the extra CvA against spells

    A few enhancives to help boost his OHE ranks up a bit, plus the use of EVOKE 902 and COL his current AS is 278.
    If needed I can utilize the self cast tremors and even call wind - should I want to chance the spell hindrance (at it's max low of 7%).
    He's currently wearing some Cuirbouilli Leather equivalent (some 4x, SWCP leather breastplate and some DCP arm greaves).
    I had him learn up to 913 for the added benefit of a spell you're hard pressed to find outside of knowing it and 520 so he could get the base use of Mage Armor.

    He can easily obtain elementals from others. The only real downside I see with him is as he progresses higher in level that his AS will be behind a bit due to the lack of 425 and his DS/TD will lack some because of not knowing 430. I can offset some of the lack of TD with ensorcell on his armor and shield, so I'm not too worried about that.

    With disarm having changed some so you don't outright lose your weapon if you can't steal it back from a creature, I'm not horribly concerned about dumping his CMAN points into disarm. I'll probably focus on Cunning Defense first, then I'll gauge how well my DS is - if rubbing a small statue won't be enough, I may snag up a few ranks of Combat Movement for a few extra points of DS and then work on getting Feint up to rank 3.

    ;redux
    [redux: Level: 34]
    [redux: Primary skills: 35]
    [redux: Secondary skils: 84]
    [redux: Tertiary skills: 35]
    [redux: Redux points: 791.0] (this was at 688 last level, though I'm not sure where this number needs to be before you actually hit redux)
    [redux: Spell ranks: 33]

    In the end (capped, if I get him that far) I plan on having him in brig (sure, he'll have 20some% spell hindrance, but he won't be a big caster of any sorts so it shouldn't really matter) or an equivalent of leather breastplate with accessories. The only big difference between leather breastplate and brig would be the brig would offer 3 extra points on the CvA.


    Anyone have any thoughts, comments or suggestions?
    ;redux
    --- Lich: redux active.
    [redux: Level: 100]
    [redux: Primary skills: 101]
    [redux: Secondary skils: 318]
    [redux: Tertiary skills: 420]
    [redux: Redux points: 3542.0]
    [redux: Spell ranks: 303]
    [redux: Too many spell ranks to have redux.]
    --- Lich: redux has exited.


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     Methais (at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
      Skill Name                         | Current Current
                                         |   Bonus   Ranks
      Armor Use..........................|      70      15
      Combat Maneuvers...................|     201     101
      Ranged Weapons.....................|     201     101
      Thrown Weapons.....................|     217     117
      Polearm Weapons....................|     201     101
      Brawling...........................|     201     101
      Multi Opponent Combat..............|     201     101
      Physical Fitness...................|     201     101
      Dodging............................|     201     101
      Arcane Symbols.....................|     302     202
      Magic Item Use.....................|     302     202
      Spell Aiming.......................|     302     202
      Harness Power......................|     403     303
      Elemental Mana Control.............|     302     202
      Spirit Mana Control................|      70      15
      Elemental Lore - Air...............|     187      87
      Elemental Lore - Earth.............|     160      60
      Elemental Lore - Fire..............|      90      20
      Elemental Lore - Water.............|     130      35
      Survival...........................|     201     101
      Disarming Traps....................|     201     101
      Picking Locks......................|     302     202
      Stalking and Hiding................|     201     101
      Perception.........................|     302     202
      Climbing...........................|     201     101
      Swimming...........................|     201     101
      First Aid..........................|     302     202
      Trading............................|     302     202
      Pickpocketing......................|     201     101
    
    Spell Lists
      Major Elemental....................|             127
    
    Spell Lists
      Minor Elemental....................|              75
    
    Spell Lists
      Wizard.............................|             101
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    I don't have redux yet, but the 5 ranks of crit padding from 520 do help me out in my leather breastplate (that I really should get padded, too).

    A flashy vesperti swings a spiked flail at you!
    AS: +292 vs DS: +234 with AvD: +46 + d100 roll: +97 = +201
    ... and hits for 55 points of damage!
    Strike pierces gall bladder!
    That's gotta hurt!
    You are stunned for 3 rounds!

    A flashy vesperti swings a spiked flail at you!
    The energy surrounding you condenses into hard stone, softening the blow!
    AS: +292 vs DS: +215 with AvD: +46 + d100 roll: +14 = +137
    ... and hits for 22 points of damage!
    Torn muscle in your left leg!

    I wanted to get my revenge on it, but the stupid "flashy" cheap shit gives the creature the ability to magically lash out while "consuming" nearby energy....so you can get dispelled and injured all at the same time!

    A flashy vesperti throws back his head and shrieks!
    A swirling burst of essence lashes out from a flashy vesperti, consuming nearby magical energy!
    A luminescent aura fades from around you.
    The hazy film around you fluxes chaotically!
    ... 8 points of damage!
    Plasma scorches a hole in your shield arm!
    You are stunned for 1 round!
    The hazy film fades from around you.
    A swirling burst of essence lashes out from a flashy vesperti, consuming nearby magical energy!
    The deep blue glow leaves you.
    You are coated in a hazy film.

    I fucking hate those stupid mini-bosses.

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    Getting closer.

    >;redux
    --- Lich: redux active.
    [redux: Level: 40]
    [redux: Primary skills: 41]
    [redux: Secondary skils: 102]
    [redux: Tertiary skills: 41]
    [redux: Redux points: 941.0]
    [redux: Spell ranks: 33]

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    Slowly getting closer.

    [redux: Level: 41]
    [redux: Primary skills: 42]
    [redux: Secondary skils: 105]
    [redux: Tertiary skills: 42]
    [redux: Redux points: 966.0]
    [redux: Spell ranks: 33]

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    [redux: Level: 42]
    [redux: Primary skills: 43]
    [redux: Secondary skils: 108]
    [redux: Tertiary skills: 43]
    [redux: Redux points: 991.0]
    [redux: Spell ranks: 33]

    Closing in on my goal - holidays slowed me down, though. I was hoping to be level 43 and on my way to 44 by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumpel View Post
    [redux: Level: 42]
    [redux: Primary skills: 43]
    [redux: Secondary skils: 108]
    [redux: Tertiary skills: 43]
    [redux: Redux points: 991.0]
    [redux: Spell ranks: 33]

    Closing in on my goal - holidays slowed me down, though. I was hoping to be level 43 and on my way to 44 by now.
    At your current training rate (25 pts. per level) you will ascend from purgatory into the promised land at level 47. You'll need approximately 1107 pts. at that level to expunge the dreaded "Current skills bonus is insufficient to gain DF reduction", messaging. You would have redux at level 45 if you were fully trained in the three secondary skills,

    Mark

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