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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumplicker View Post
    Yeah but unlike the rest of the middle east, Iran is in a position where they can actually fight back. It'd be a lopsided direct conflict, as any one country against the largest militarized force in the world would be, but Iran's got at least 15 years of recent memories showing that smaller forces in their region can cause significant trouble for the US. They've got a strategic roadmap, and the actual infrastructure to carry it out on a level Iraq or Afghanistan could only have dreamt of.

    "Bombing the fuck" out of someone who can fight back might not lead immediately to a direct war, but look at it from the other side. If someone decided they didn't like America's policies and then "Bombed the fuck" out of it, would literally anyone say "Well, they made a good point. We should change course."?
    Rofl, we could knock out their entire command and control and military capability just as fast as we did to Iraq (twice).

    Iraq's military was vastly superior to Irans at the start of Desert Storm. It is because of the Iran Iraq war that they put a lot more into it.

    And yes, a lot of nations do tend to stfu when we get onto a war footing, but that isn't even what this would be about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    Rofl, we could knock out their entire command and control and military capability just as fast as we did to Iraq (twice).
    And it stabilized the region forever and the middle east has been a peaceful, democratic, freedom-loving place ever since. It certainly was not a 3 trillion dollar and counting cost that only further destabilized the region and gave rise to a state that hates America even harder.

    Why doesn't everybody invade the middle east? It always produces the intended results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    No one is talking about invading them though. Bombing the living fuck out of them is a good thing.
    Yep, that's what I was saying. I wish we took out a few of their critical defense systems like radar installations, airfields... things of that nature. We can't let a country instigate like that, especially one who regularly chants "death to America" in big drum circles with their leaders.

    We need to decisively explain to them why their shithole country isn't our concern until they start fucking with us or our strategic partners. When they do, they need the bully treatment. i.e. you fuck em up quickly and then say "Sorry, did you want to parlay more?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumplicker View Post
    "Bombing the fuck" out of someone who can fight back might not lead immediately to a direct war, but look at it from the other side. If someone decided they didn't like America's policies and then "Bombed the fuck" out of it, would literally anyone say "Well, they made a good point. We should change course."?
    Firing on a US asset in international waters isn't them disagreeing with our policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumplicker View Post
    And it stabilized the region forever and the middle east has been a peaceful, democratic, freedom-loving place ever since. It certainly was not a 3 trillion dollar and counting cost that only further destabilized the region and gave rise to a state that hates America even harder.

    Why doesn't everybody invade the middle east? It always produces the intended results.
    Again, you are talking about a full on invasion. No one else is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumplicker View Post
    And it stabilized the region forever and the middle east has been a peaceful, democratic, freedom-loving place ever since. It certainly was not a 3 trillion dollar and counting cost that only further destabilized the region and gave rise to a state that hates America even harder.

    Why doesn't everybody invade the middle east? It always produces the intended results.
    We could just ignore them, like we did Italy, Germany and Japan in the 1940's right, until it does become our problem?
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    The object here is to keep the straits of Hormuz open and free. The easiest way to do that is to destroy Iranian capabilities to attack ships and aerial assets traversing it. Or would could just give Iran a bunch of cash like past Presidents... Like the Brits used to do with the Barbary Pirates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage View Post
    We could just ignore them, like we did Italy, Germany and Japan in the 1940's right, until it does become our problem?
    That did work out exceptionally well for America. We had minimal involvement comparatively in the war because we were geopolitically sound and didn't have to come in until the USSR, China, France, and England had shouldered the lion's share of the damage. The rest of the world got completely leveled by bombs, we came out of it with about a million IOU's and shared technological breakthroughs from lend leases and it ushered in a 50 year golden age because we were one of the only countries with infrastructure left to produce anything, which wouldn't ya know it, the whole world needed. And hey, rocketry and operation paperclip landed us on the moon!

    But yes, I am saying that in the last 1000 years, foreign powers fucking around with the middle east has produced the desired outcome zero times. Making the situation worse in the middle east by military means has a 100% success rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    Rofl, we could knock out their entire command and control and military capability just as fast as we did to Iraq (twice).

    Iraq's military was vastly superior to Irans at the start of Desert Storm. It is because of the Iran Iraq war that they put a lot more into it.

    And yes, a lot of nations do tend to stfu when we get onto a war footing, but that isn't even what this would be about.
    I think you have a misunderstanding of what Iran and Iraq is. Iran is a regional hegemon with ambitions to dominate the ME , is 4 times larger economically, 3 times bigger population, and has a nascent nuclear weapons program. The only similarities are they both have 4 letter names with just 1 letter difference and both start with “I”.

    Certain that was the primary calculus when the big-wigs at the Pentagon stepped in and told Trump...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumplicker View Post
    That did work out exceptionally well for America. We had minimal involvement comparatively in the war because we were geopolitically sound and didn't have to come in until the USSR, China, France, and England had shouldered the lion's share of the damage. The rest of the world got completely leveled by bombs, we came out of it with about a million IOU's and shared technological breakthroughs from lend leases and it ushered in a 50 year golden age because we were one of the only countries with infrastructure left to produce anything, which wouldn't ya know it, the whole world needed. And hey, rocketry and operation paperclip landed us on the moon!

    But yes, I am saying that in the last 1000 years, foreign powers fucking around with the middle east has produced the desired outcome zero times. Making the situation worse in the middle east by military means has a 100% success rate.
    So your stance is, wait until they attack us?
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