What it looks like is that they're trying to send a message for us to get out of their waters and keep our drones to ourselves, the same as we would do if Iranian ships appeared on our coast or buzzing around the Panama Canal.
No, absolutely nothing we've done in Iraq or Afghanistan can be considered a victory in any way.
The cost was: large numbers of lives, trillions of dollars, the devastation of our international credibility and image, and the creation of a power vaccuum that was filled with a threat that destabilized the region even further and hated us even more.
The gain was: nothing
Last edited by Stumplicker; 06-21-2019 at 01:27 PM.
You're thinking so little picture. And I'm pretty sure we killed Bin Laden. Our entire purpose for Afghanistan was getting that fucker. We went in because the Taliban refused to hand him over.
We also took out that fucker Saddam. I was in Baghdad when he was executed. Everyone was jubilant.
Last edited by Gelston; 06-21-2019 at 01:31 PM.
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I also like how everyone seems to think nations all over the world hate the US. That is very far from the truth.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Click the link above to see how much you owe the government.
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Because we forced him to flee from Afghanistan. Would you rather we just left him completely alone to keep training up people to perform more 9/11 style attacks or what?
In both conflicts, we achieved the goal we initially set out for. Occupation and COIN is a bitch though. Nation building is retarded. We should have just left after.
Last edited by Gelston; 06-21-2019 at 01:46 PM.
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We're going to be on oil for a long time, especially military uses. We might have a lot of civilian stuff switched to electric or hydrogen, but aircraft, tanks, other tactical vehicles? No. A lot of other countries are going to be in the same boat. There is going to be a need for oil until there is no oil.
And when the Middle East has no more oil, why would we give a fuck about them? The only reason we are concerned with the strait of Hormuz is because of oil tankers traversing it. It isn't like there is a lot of other quality shit being shipped from there.
Last edited by Gelston; 06-21-2019 at 02:05 PM.
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Being the last country with oil isn't going to be a win any more than being the last country to use the horse and buggy for regular transportation was a win. You're thinking so little picture here.
Bottom line is that the middle East has been a giant quagmire of a waste of money for us. Stop wasting it there, spend it here instead.
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