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    Quote Originally Posted by BriarFox View Post
    5x (1 week vs 4), 6x (3 weeks vs 7), and 7x (7 weeks vs 14) are much faster now, and those are the ones most people should care about. 7x-10x used to take about 41 weeks and now it takes about 43, so that’s comparable. I’d say it’s faster by far overall if you can max energy each week. If you only get 50% energy, it’s faster or roughly comparable up to 7x. I also like that it got rid of enchants taking longer based on current projects. I think it’s a win, but I don’t blame people for being mad it’s killing pocket mages.
    At a quick glance, I think the times you posted above for the old system are not taking potions infused with mana into account. I assume that people that are having no trouble reaching the weekly essence max in the new system were able to generate a fair amount of mana to infuse into potions under the old system, but this could be untrue. I still think you are correct that up to 7x is faster in the new system, but I don't think the gaps in favor of the new system are as big as you posted. On top of that, I think you could do 8x - 10x in far less than 41 weeks when taking infused potions into account under the old system. So I think that is a bigger gap in favor of the old system than you posted for 8x - 10x.

    I'm not as convinced that this is a win for most people, but I am reserving final judgement until we see where this ultimately lands. I think the people that are all in on this change right now are the power hunters and scripters that have had no problem maxing essence gain. I have actively hunted my wizard since this came out to the tune of roughly 25K base experience, with all the correct skills maxed (lores may not be perfect, but I have something like 100 air/70 water/30 fire, give or take), and sit at around 6,000 essence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmuddy View Post
    At a quick glance, I think the times you posted above for the old system are not taking potions infused with mana into account. I assume that people that are having no trouble reaching the weekly essence max in the new system were able to generate a fair amount of mana to infuse into potions under the old system, but this could be untrue. I still think you are correct that up to 7x is faster in the new system, but I don't think the gaps in favor of the new system are as big as you posted. On top of that, I think you could do 8x - 10x in far less than 41 weeks when taking infused potions into account under the old system. So I think that is a bigger gap in favor of the old system than you posted for 8x - 10x.

    I'm not as convinced that this is a win for most people, but I am reserving final judgement until we see where this ultimately lands. I think the people that are all in on this change right now are the power hunters and scripters that have had no problem maxing essence gain. I have actively hunted my wizard since this came out to the tune of roughly 25K base experience, with all the correct skills maxed (lores may not be perfect, but I have something like 100 air/70 water/30 fire, give or take), and sit at around 6,000 essence.
    I didn't include potions, but it was 3 weeks to fully infuse each potion, so that actually took longer -- 21 weeks for a 7x, plus a week for the enchant = 22 weeks.
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    << 7x (7 weeks vs 14) >>

    Is that from +30 or +34?

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    project ----- total cost in essence ----- time in weeks

    0x-1x 1000 1
    1x-2x 3500 1
    2x-3x 6000 1
    3x-4x 8500 1
    4x-5x 11000 1
    5x-6x 48000 3
    6x-7x 108000 7
    7x-8x 168000 11
    8x-9x 228000 14
    9x-10 288000 18
    0x-7x 186000 12
    0x-10x 870000 54
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    I have seen those numbers but I find it hard to believe. From 0 to +31 essence in one week? Then 0 to +32 in a week, etc.? How many hours do they expect us to hunt per day, and still have time for RP? Alright, forget about the RP.

    We shall see.

    Last edited by Askip; 05-10-2019 at 06:05 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Methais View Post
    I had enough for +26 the other day and it dropped to +21 after I took my armor from +25 to +26. I thought it was going to drop to 0 also, but it didn't.
    The range between enchants after 25 is 2400 per +1 (+100 per +1 before that). So you were almost at enough for +27 (had ~2100 into the 26 to 27 gap)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askip View Post
    How many hours do they expect us to hunt per day, and still have time for RP? Alright, forget about the RP.

    They've finally acknowledged the intimate relationship between Lich and the game by balancing this new mechanic around bigshot & afk hunting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BriarFox View Post
    I didn't include potions, but it was 3 weeks to fully infuse each potion, so that actually took longer -- 21 weeks for a 7x, plus a week for the enchant = 22 weeks.
    I wouldn't calculate it as taking 22 weeks under the old system using infused potions. My calculation would be something like below.

    For simplicity, assumptions:
    start with 0 infused mana in your pool
    14 day/2 week temper time for each pour of a 6x to 7x.
    90% reduction every three weeks (9750 infused mana each week, 29,250 every three weeks)

    Day 1 - 1st pour
    Days 15 - 1st cast, 2nd pour
    Day 22 - infuse 29,250 mana into potion for 90% reduction
    Day 29 - 2nd cast, 3rd pour (with infused potion)
    Day 31 - 3rd cast, 4th pour
    Day 43 - infuse 29,250 into potion for 90% reduction
    Day 45 - 4th cast, 5th pour (with infused potion)
    Day 47 - 5th cast, 6th pour
    Day 64 - infuse 29,250 into potion for 90% reduction
    Day 64 - 6th cast, 7th pour (note this could have been done day 61, but waited 2 extra days to use an infused potion)
    Day 66 - 7th and final cast

    That is a 7x enchantment in roughly 10 weeks under the old system, versus the 14 you noted. So you are 100% correct that going from +30 to +35 in the new system is still faster, assuming you max essence each week. It's just not as big a gap as advertised. And with the current set-up maxing essence is far from a given for many.

    Using this strategy to go from 7x to 10x would likely bring down your estimate of 41 weeks, making it much faster to go 7x to 10x in the old system.

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    Is all "static" converted to essence in the field, or can essence increase while resting after the hunt?

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