2020 Democrat primary debates

[Gelston]

I'm still confused. I was just talking about Warren's plan... not some pie in the sky plan where if you get welfare, you need to work for the government to get it.

Let me clarify your confusion. I'm not, nor was I ever, talking about Warren's plan. She is never going to survive the primaries, so her plan is as much "pie in the sky" as mine is.

[Gelston]

Did your dad come at you with a knife and say "LET'S PUT A SMILE ON THAT FACE!"?

No, a M249 SAW exploded and littered me with shrapnel and gun powder.

[Stumplicker]

No, a M249 SAW exploded and littered me with shrapnel and gun powder.

I prefer Heath Ledger's story.

[Gelston]

Strictly speaking, that's welfare. It's like disability. A continuing payment for a one time injury. I figured you'd exempt yourself from your own plan to make disabled people work when if they could work, they would already be working.

eta: I guess I take issue with your broad use of the word welfare when you really mean only certain types of welfare.

No, I specifically mean the type of Welfare people get when they drop off unemployment. I'm not against Unemployment, because you pay into that. I don't generally have a problem with disability payments, whether military or not. I have seen some people game the fuck out of the VA, but that is another matter.

[Parkbandit]

Let me clarify your confusion. I'm not, nor was I ever, talking about Warren's plan. She is never going to survive the primaries, so her plan is as much "pie in the sky" as mine is.

Ah, gotcha.

Yea, tying work in with welfare is probably racist, sexist or some other -ist.

Reported for all 'ists' I have heard.

[Parkbandit]

No, I specifically mean the type of Welfare people get when they drop off unemployment. I'm not against Unemployment, because you pay into that. I don't generally have a problem with disability payments, whether military or not. I have seen some people game the fuck out of the VA, but that is another matter.

I'm not against unemployment either. THAT is why the program was set up.. as a safety net for people who are between jobs.

[Wrathbringer]

No, I specifically mean the type of Welfare people get when they drop off unemployment. I'm not against Unemployment, because you pay into that. I don't generally have a problem with disability payments, whether military or not. I have seen some people game the fuck out of the VA, but that is another matter.

Oh. Okay.

[Stumplicker]

Yeah, disability, while technically a form of welfare, is definitely not in the same league. That applies to any industry as far as I'm concerned. Food stamps, heating assistance, welfare checks, those are a whole other animal.

I've got no problem with any of those things, but the last three are treating the symptom rather than the disease. Like locking prisoners up without rehabilitation. It just prolongs or exacerbates the issue. Welfare should be more like a stepping stone. All they really do at current is make you pinkie swear that you're looking for jobs and jump through a lot of bureaucratic hoops.

There are plenty of industries that could benefit from a subsidized labor force. Working for welfare keeps everyone productive, keeps a goal in mind of routine, pay, and gives a reason for those disinclined to move upwards to something that pays better or requires less effort.

Edit to add: Maybe even trade apprenticeship would be beneficial, for those without really marketable skills. The world definitely needs electricians, locksmiths, carpenters, et cetera, but it takes some training that might not otherwise be available to those seeking welfare.

[Seizer]

Did your dad come at you with a knife and say "LET'S PUT A SMILE ON THAT FACE!"?

You’re such a dumbass. I can see the cracks forming in your newest persona Neff. Let’s not forget another gem like this either, you stupid fuck.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthrea...23#post1182023

[Methais]