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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    Interesting, Trump might beable to tap into about 14 billion dollars set aside for Disaster Relief funds, paying for the USACE to build it.

    Senator Graham is asking for Trump to go ahead and declare a National Emergency at the border.
    While that might be a workable loophole, if anything goes wrong in the near future that those funds could (should) have been used for instead, it amounts to political suicide. You drain disaster relief to build a wall for a divisive issue and Katrina II hits or something, you're pretty much done.

    I think that's something they'll steer clear of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumplicker View Post
    While that might be a workable loophole, if anything goes wrong in the near future that those funds could (should) have been used for instead, it amounts to political suicide. You drain disaster relief to build a wall for a divisive issue and Katrina II hits or something, you're pretty much done.

    I think that's something they'll steer clear of.
    Nah. If anything goes wrong in the future, Congress will approve more funds, or they'll look like assholes. They might talk shit and say Trump took it, but they aren't going to say no to approving more cash for disaster relief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    Nah. If anything goes wrong in the future, Congress will approve more funds, or they'll look like assholes. They might talk shit and say Trump took it, but they aren't going to say no to approving more cash for disaster relief.
    Sure of course they'd get the money elsewhere. But it would reflect really, really poorly on the guy who, let's be honest, misappropriated 14 billion dollars to get something unrelated done. No matter if you can squint at it really hard and declare it a disaster within the bounds of the law...that's not the sort of disaster that money is for, and we all know it. Edit to add: Coming up on an election year..that's just a bad bet to make. That's why I think they'll steer clear. But Trump's pretty impulsive, so you never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumplicker View Post
    Sure of course they'd get the money elsewhere. But it would reflect really, really poorly on the guy who, let's be honest, misappropriated 14 billion dollars to get something unrelated done. No matter if you can squint at it really hard and declare it a disaster within the bounds of the law...that's not the sort of disaster that money is for, and we all know it.
    It wouldn't though. The money is actually left over from the California Fires and the Hurricane. They pass new emergency funding bills for almost every disaster. The future would be no different.

    I'm more thinking it'll be a "You either give me the 5.7, or I take this 14 and do it without you."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    It wouldn't though. The money is actually left over from the California Fires and the Hurricane. They pass new emergency funding bills for almost every disaster. The future would be no different.
    Hurricanes and forest fires are things that happen every year. They've got their own seasons. Trump takes 14 billion out of some fund for that, it is free ammunition for the next one that hits for his political opposition, potentially right in the middle of the election. Anyway, like you said, he could do it, and like I said, he's impulsive so he might. I just think that's a bad bet for so small a fraction of the money he needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    Interesting, Trump might beable to tap into about 14 billion dollars set aside for Disaster Relief funds, paying for the USACE to build it.

    Senator Graham is asking for Trump to go ahead and declare a National Emergency at the border.
    I think that's a terrible idea.

    It's pulling a Dirty Harry Reid..
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    horrific state of conditions = the biggest election win in 40 decades
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    There will be no war when guns are more regulated. Too bad NZ does not have a death penalty. I bet the fuck definitely knew that going in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    I think that's a terrible idea.

    It's pulling a Dirty Harry Reid..
    I'd prefer he went through Congress. I don't like the precedent it would set. Imagine another President, say a liberal one, doing the same for gun violence or what not. Still, it is an option, and one I think would hold up in court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    I'd prefer he went through Congress. I don't like the precedent it would set. Imagine another President, say a liberal one, doing the same for gun violence or what not. Still, it is an option, and one I think would hold up in court.
    I've heard that reasoning from other people.. but taking people's guns is specifically against the Constitution and would certainly lead to court battles.

    It does set a terrible precedent though. I'm not sure it's an "emergency" at this point, given that it's been going on my entire adult life and every single President has kicked that can down the road until now.. but I do like how he took the liberal talking point of "humanitarian crisis" and forced them to say it's not a crisis anymore... where it was before the election with the caravan.

    I never thought it was possible.. but liberals are looking more hypocritical since Trump was elected.. and I love it.
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    There will be no war when guns are more regulated. Too bad NZ does not have a death penalty. I bet the fuck definitely knew that going in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    I've heard that reasoning from other people.. but taking people's guns is specifically against the Constitution and would certainly lead to court battles.

    It does set a terrible precedent though. I'm not sure it's an "emergency" at this point, given that it's been going on my entire adult life and every single President has kicked that can down the road until now.. but I do like how he took the liberal talking point of "humanitarian crisis" and forced them to say it's not a crisis anymore... where it was before the election with the caravan.

    I never thought it was possible.. but liberals are looking more hypocritical since Trump was elected.. and I love it.
    I was using that particular gun violence thing more as an example, but honestly, the Second Amendment has been tarnished to the point that I don't think it'll mean as much in the future. I could see it in the future. Look at California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    So, you've changed your opinion because you've posted here multiple times that you are for open borders.
    Really dude? This really does not help your creepy stalker reputation. Why the fuck did you even ask? Can you produce said posts? You're full of shit as usual, dude.

    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    So, why again are you against a wall?
    Impractical, inefficient, does not address real issues such as drug smuggling, human trafficking, colossal waste of money that could be put to much better use such as single payer health care for example and thats just a start of why a 1500 mile wall with our ally Mexico is a terribly stupid, dumb, idiotic, lame ass idea.

    I will say this though. Trump should go ahead and call his little back pocket supposedly face-saving emergency declaration and let it die in the courts so the good people who are not getting paid for good work can get paid like they fucking should be instead of letting this infantile power-tripping liar tie up our government by throwing a tantrum over something he and the GOP had TWO YEARS TO DO.

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