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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    High minded debate there. You must have went to college.
    That would be the way UC Berkeley students debate, so maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    I highly doubt any of your 29 years of architecture experience involves designing mullti-tier border security systems.

    I mean, decades upon decades of experience from actual border patrol agents disagree with you. You can toss around your building experience all you want, but you have 0 experience in border protection and security. When you have every President, and VP or the Border PAtrol council saying this is needed, when you have the former head of the border patrol that was an Obama appointee and was fired by Trump agreeing with Trump on the wall issue... Yeah...

    And on the plus side, it creates jobs. Why are you against job creation?
    I'm saying steel is a poor choice. The same thing the people who tested it said. You still have a wall with a hole in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archigeek View Post
    I'm saying steel is a poor choice. The same thing the people who tested it said. You still have a wall with a hole in it.
    And I was never arguing that it was the best choice. It isn't what Trump wants either. He is trying to make a deal. I'm saying the wall doesn't exist in and of itself to stop people from getting in. It is one of several things made to impede.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    And I was never arguing that it was the best choice. It isn't what Trump wants either. He is trying to make a deal. I'm saying the wall doesn't exist in and of itself to stop people from getting in. It is one of several things made to impede.
    Concrete doesn’t work either. He wants something where you can see through to the other side (so you can see what people are up to ; which astoundingly is a decent idea) steel slats work for this. Concrete even with some slots would be difficult and not practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    High minded debate there. You must have went to college.
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    The steel system failed, but so did every single prototype they tested. The actual numbers are a nightmare, he is asking 5.7 billion for 255 miles of wall/fence the actual cost for all of it becomes north of 35 billion based on unwalled sections, an that is just the materials. Add in things like labor and paying for the land, I assume you intend to pay, you need to add in another 60 plus billion dollars. Or maybe you think 255 miles is all they need, those amazing better then ICE or the olice vehicles the migrants suddenly have can only get to that tine portion of the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardwen View Post
    The steel system failed, but so did every single prototype they tested. The actual numbers are a nightmare, he is asking 5.7 billion for 255 miles of wall/fence the actual cost for all of it becomes north of 35 billion based on unwalled sections, an that is just the materials. Add in things like labor and paying for the land, I assume you intend to pay, you need to add in another 60 plus billion dollars. Or maybe you think 255 miles is all they need, those amazing better then ICE or the olice vehicles the migrants suddenly have can only get to that tine portion of the border.
    The experts on the ground say we need it. Besides that, it pays for itself, unlike your free college, universal health care, guaranteed income, etc. You're just still butthurt over losing the election in 2016. Also, the last sentence made no sense. Are you having a stroke or just retarded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardwen View Post
    The steel system failed, but so did every single prototype they tested. The actual numbers are a nightmare, he is asking 5.7 billion for 255 miles of wall/fence the actual cost for all of it becomes north of 35 billion based on unwalled sections, an that is just the materials. Add in things like labor and paying for the land, I assume you intend to pay, you need to add in another 60 plus billion dollars. Or maybe you think 255 miles is all they need, those amazing better then ICE or the olice vehicles the migrants suddenly have can only get to that tine portion of the border.
    I love how you’re all of a sudden concerned about money now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrathbringer View Post
    The experts on the ground say we need it. Besides that, it pays for itself, unlike your free college, universal health care, guaranteed income, etc. You're just still butthurt over losing the election in 2016. Also, the last sentence made no sense. Are you having a stroke or just retarded?
    How does the wall pay for itself?

    And please don’t give me this Mexico will pay for it through the trade deal shit, they will NOT pay a dime, you’re a god damn fool if you think you know exactly how a trade deal will play out even the army of economists and PhD’s who wrote that 3,000 page monstrosity has only a inkling of how things will turn out.

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    Mexico pays in 3 ways. First, they keep more of their own people who are not in the US sending money home to Mexico. That is a major drain on the US economy AND at one point amounted to almost half their economy so significantly reducing this is a boost to our economy. Second, they have to pay to support their own people who are not crossing into the US illegally to get jobs, now Mexico has to support their families and not US this is a substantial savings in spend on social services. Lastly, with a less porous border, the US can expect to deport people and have them stay deported a lot more so we spend less on law enforcement on them which is a substantial cost savings. And as a bonus, with less of them in the workforce, wages rise generating more tax money, we see a downward pressure on insurance costs due to uninsured illegals which increases people's discretionary income and overall crime drops by the amount caused by illegals when we get them out of the country.

    Your idiot concerns about money are a distraction when you want to send foreign aid to everyone under the sun and want to give everyone free healthcare, college and a basic income. In the long run, if we spent 100 billion on a massive infrastructure project, created a ton of jobs and cut the strain on social services, then it would pay for it's self in just a few years in cost savings as we catch and deport people and the numbers of illegals actually drops.
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