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    Quote Originally Posted by audioserf View Post
    I'd trade 225 tomorrow for 1213 as an empath.

    Losing 211/215/218/219 is more of a concern, plus as was stated, 240.
    Biggest argument I heard was 225. They couldn't be "rescuers" anymore. There was supposedly a "reverse fog" that was going to be put into MnM, but the bitching was such epic proportions that they just dropped it. Who knows how different the MnM would be today if Empaths got it and lost MjS. You might not even be worried about the things lost, but rather, how awesome the things gained were. Everyone was retardedly short sighted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BriarFox View Post
    My guess is that Estild coded this spell primarily so it could be released as an X/day item at the next Duskruin.
    This is the only possible explanation.

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    Isn't Minor Mental considered to be the worst spell circle in the game? I can't image any profession would be happy to make a trade for it.


    Estild seems like he is very controlling and thinks he knows better than the players. Further, I don't think he feels like he needs to explain himself or his actions either. I remember watching the last simucon and their was a Q&A session with Estild and two other GMs. Estild answered EVERY question before the other two could even open their mouths. Those other GMs never got the chance to answer any of the questions. Estild's answer to every question was almost always "It's possible" or some variation of that. Nothing really got answered and the entire Q&A was really crappy because of that. In fact, I remember another person lampshading the whole thing by offering a round of applause for the other two GMs for being good sports during the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hymore246 View Post
    Isn't Minor Mental considered to be the worst spell circle in the game? I can't image any profession would be happy to make a trade for it.


    Estild seems like he is very controlling and thinks he knows better than the players. Further, I don't think he feels like he needs to explain himself or his actions either. I remember watching the last simucon and their was a Q&A session with Estild and two other GMs. Estild answered EVERY question before the other two could even open their mouths. Those other GMs never got the chance to answer any of the questions. Estild's answer to every question was almost always "It's possible" or some variation of that. Nothing really got answered and the entire Q&A was really crappy because of that. In fact, I remember another person lampshading the whole thing by offering a round of applause for the other two GMs for being good sports during the whole thing.
    Again, the MnM we have now isn't what it would have been if Empaths had gotten it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maerit View Post
    240 is better than all of the MnM circle combined. Doubtful that empaths would be excited to lose that.
    Yeah there still needs to be further balancing, swapping, or inventing needed to switch MjS with MnM. 240, 225, the +AS spells, etc. like everyone else is bringing up. 1206 might just be the first step. It's the only thing that makes logical sense to me, unless they're going with the 'use this spell to push DR' thing which is also possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taernath View Post
    Yeah there still needs to be further balancing, swapping, or inventing needed to switch MjS with MnM. 240, 225, the +AS spells, etc. like everyone else is bringing up. 1206 might just be the first step. It's the only thing that makes logical sense to me, unless they're going with the 'use this spell to push DR' thing which is also possible.
    They aren't swapping it. This was what they were planning on doing before the MnM was even fully created. So, they current MnM isn't created with empaths in mind at all. If they had kept their original plans, it would have been created with empaths in mind.
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    You don't have a spell like 1209 (Dragonclaw) in MnM if you intend for Empaths to use it. That spell and a bunch of others clearly make MnM the offbrand Monk circle, even though they copped out on making a Monk circle. I don't think they ever plan to do the MjS->MnM swap for Empaths. That ship sailed without anyone on it. Now MnM is a bastardized combination of a Monk circle and a "some day a pure class will use this, we swear!" list and boom you have a spell for Monks that requires Spell Aiming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audioserf View Post
    You don't have a spell like 1209 (Dragonclaw) in MnM if you intend for Empaths to use it. That spell and a bunch of others clearly make MnM the offbrand Monk circle, even though they copped out on making a Monk circle. I don't think they ever plan to do the MjS->MnM swap for Empaths. That ship sailed without anyone on it. Now MnM is a bastardized combination of a Monk circle and a "some day a pure class will use this, we swear!" list and boom you have a spell for Monks that requires Spell Aiming.

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    Dude, they aren't. This was the original idea, years aog, before the current list of spells was created. They were going to swap it when monks released. That ship has sailed.
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    Could this be another QC thing? "Oh man that spell makes thrown insane, hold up till we can tweak it."

    Because if so, QC needs to be replaced. Whoever is working it clearly has dementia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    They aren't swapping it. This was what they were planning on doing before the MnM was even fully created. So, they current MnM isn't created with empaths in mind at all. If they had kept their original plans, it would have been created with empaths in mind.
    My understanding was they were still planning on giving empaths MnM, and was part of the reason they added 'mental' flavor messaging to empath base when they were revamped. Are you saying that's no longer the case? If so, do you have a link to a post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    Dude, they aren't. This was the original idea, years aog, before the current list of spells was created. They were going to swap it when monks released. That ship has sailed.
    Monks were released 6 years ago, the empath revamp was maybe 5 before that. Simu ships sail on fucked up schedules and it's well within Simu character to take 10+ years to actually develop a system.
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