Originally Posted by
gilchristr
Alright most posts are somewhat fuzzy on the formula for 403/404 ... I have been curious because I have a character that has 83 MnE ranks and is getting a ton of help from these spells.
From reading the GM posts, and reviewing my results, I am almost certain the formula for how much help you get form self cast 404 is:
Disarm skill bonus/4 + MnE ranks/2 + dex bonus/4
Tracks basically perfectly to my character's max trap. Specifically, this calculates to about -440, and my character's best trap ever is -436.
The locklore formula would be similar.
SO my character with 280 disarm bonus, 83 MnE ranks, and +40 dex bonus should be able to get the following trap:
w/o disarmlore: 280 +40 = -320
w/ disarmlore: 320 + (70+41+10) = -441
Anyone have any evidence to the contrary and/or does this track your character?
Official spell description states that level is factor for both 403 and 404.
This result was from an LFM picking contest. I had tested this character's max lock with and without lore. You can use the 'points scored' result to back out max lock. You need to have 403 active during the contest for max lock with lore.
Level: 43
Skill: 215
DEX: 35
MnE: 4
Max lock with vaalin (2.5 modifier) without lore or modding down: -625
Max lock with vaalin and lore: -820
Actual Bonus: (820 - 625)/2.5 vaalin mod = 78 bonus from self-cast 403
Using your hypothetical formula: Skill bonus/4 + MnE ranks/2 + dex bonus/4
Calculated Bonus: (215/4) + (4/2) + (35/4) = 62
Actual: 78 vs Calculated: 62
Edited to add
This formula seems to produce more accurate results but could use more testing (I'm not certain on the MnE divisor):
Lore Bonus = Level/2 + DEX bonus + Skill/10 + MnE/10
Code:
Procedure for calculating max lock using picking contest result
You remove a vaalin lockpick from on a small wooden table.
You struggle with the box. As you do, you get a sense that the box has a well-crafted lock (-440 thief-lingo difficulty ranking). Then...CLICK! It opens!
[You have scored 536 points!]
1. Multiply the lock size by 1000: (-440 * 1000) = -440,000
2. Divide this total by your score: (-440,000/536) = -820 max lock with lore
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