Hey look GS4 got a mention

[Methais]

I think it is hard to say anything is P2W in GS because there isn't really shit to win. Don't mistake it, EA wishes they could have Simu's business model on a far larger scale. Yearly pay festivals? Selling fluff private houses for a grand? Marriages for $200? I mean, EA sells some weapon skins and people go ballistic.

EA doesn't need Simu's business model, they just need Simu's extremely retarded player base.

Not that I'm implying EA's base isn't also retarded, but most are broke 12 year olds.

[Gelston]

EA doesn't need Simu's business model, they just need Simu's extremely retarded player base.

Not that I'm implying EA's base isn't also retarded, but most are broke 12 year olds.

I buy Madden every year, so they have a $60 yearly income from me.

[Taernath]

To me, buying exp or levels would be p2w. Someone buying a claidhmore with extra weighting and death flares or whatever when you're already chopping heads off fine with a regular claid is just being a dumbass.

P2W imo is the game basically coming to a standstill and being effectively impossible to advance without forking over more cash, i.e. Simu changes leveling up so that it takes 10,000,000 exp to gain a level now, but if you buy this exp pass from the Simucoin store it will only require 100k to level up. You can still technically level up without it, but now it's going to take you such an extreme amount of time and grinding that it's not worth it so you either buy an exp pass or quit the game.

Spending a ton of cash on some overpowered item that you can do fine without as long as you're not a tard, not so much.

And even though it goes without saying, anyone who disagrees is racist.

I don't know what to tell you. The definition for p2w that I used is a widely accepted and repeated one. What you're describing is 'pay to progress', and is something a lot of true f2p games do.

You're doing a lot of uncharacteristic Simudefense here, Methais. Goatse twice if you've been kidnapped and Whatley has a gun to your head.

[Tgo01]

I think monks aren't allowed under F2P, so there is that.

Wait is that true?

[Whirlin]

I think it is hard to say anything is P2W in GS because there isn't really shit to win. Don't mistake it, EA wishes they could have Simu's business model on a far larger scale. Yearly pay festivals? Selling fluff private houses for a grand? Marriages for $200? I mean, EA sells some weapon skins and people go ballistic.

They weren't always just weapon skins though. EA lootboxes when you leveled may contain gun unlocks and other things, some of which were just flat out better.

The biggest difference is the lack of binding items and characters. In any EA game, if your friend has an Awesome Gun of +8 that he doesn't use because he won the lootbox lottery and found an Awesome Gun of +9. That Awesome Gun of +8 is sitting on his account forever, utilized. And if you're playing against him with your peashooter -60, you're going to have a bad time. In Gemstone, that Awesome Gun of +8 be sold/transferred/etc... Some items may be introduced by a pay mechanic, but anything purchased via the pay mechanic can *usually* be transferred (exception being private properties).

[Gelston]

They weren't always just weapon skins though. EA lootboxes when you leveled may contain gun unlocks and other things, some of which were just flat out better.

The biggest difference is the lack of binding items and characters. In any EA game, if your friend has an Awesome Gun of +8 that he doesn't use because he won the lootbox lottery and found an Awesome Gun of +9. That Awesome Gun of +8 is sitting on his account forever, utilized. And if you're playing against him with your peashooter -60, you're going to have a bad time. In Gemstone, that Awesome Gun of +8 be sold/transferred/etc... Some items may be introduced by a pay mechanic, but anything purchased via the pay mechanic can *usually* be transferred (exception being private properties).

Except for those bound weapons and private homes. EA may have more bound shit, but GS is ahead of them in a lot of other shit. I imagine the only reason EA binds most of its shit is because they don't want a cash resell market, like what we have here. I'm actually surprised Simu doesn't have loot boxes yet, but when I think about it, Droughtman's was basically one lootbox at a time.

[Methais]

I don't know what to tell you. The definition for p2w that I used is a widely accepted and repeated one. What you're describing is 'pay to progress', and is something a lot of true f2p games do.

You're doing a lot of uncharacteristic Simudefense here, Methais. Goatse twice if you've been kidnapped and Whatley has a gun to your head.

Your definition is probably the more "correct" definition, I'm not really disputing that.

And don't get me wrong, I hate Simu's entire microtransaction model and thinks it's stupid as fuck and a giant ripoff for what you get and that 99% of the people running the show are dumbasses. I just don't think any of it, with maybe some exceptions, gives someone that noticeable of an advantage over someone else for anything in regards to character advancement other than stroking one's epeen, even if you could win GS.

If someone finishes a hunt 2 minutes quicker because of their new P2W sword, I guess that would technically count, but someone paying $5000 just to finish a hunt 2 minutes earlier or for some fancy looking flares or whatever is also a dumbass and are part of the problem encouraging more of this bullshit.

Either way, I wouldn't put Simu on EA's level, at least not yet. I won't be surprised if/when they reach that point, I just don't think they're there yet.

[Whirlin]

Except for those bound weapons and private homes. EA may have more bound shit, but GS is ahead of them in a lot of other shit. I imagine the only reason EA binds most of its shit is because they don't want a cash resell market, like what we have here. I'm actually surprised Simu doesn't have loot boxes yet, but when I think about it, Droughtman's was basically one lootbox at a time.

What bound weapons?

[Gelston]

What bound weapons?

"pure" coraesine is an example.

[Whirlin]

"pure" coraesine is an example.

Those were sold for simucoins directly?