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    First, it’s chiefly concerned with “certain still images and/or text messages.” Yes, later in the agreement, the “confidential information” at issue is expansively defined, to include absolutely anything, tangible or intangible, that Daniels might know about Trump, including, of course, whether she spanked him with a magazine or not.

    But far more ink is spilled discussing what Daniels is supposed to do with those texts and images: give copies to Cohen and destroy the originals.

    Now the strategy starts to make sense. This dispute isn’t about the affair: it’s about those pictures or texts. As viewers of Daniels’ 60 Minutes interview surely noticed, the only question Daniels refused to answer was about whether she’s got more evidence of the affair.

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    I hope it's not the spanking video.

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    This Stormy thing is really getting some media play and makes it worthwhile to revisit the Clinton impeachment.

    That got started as an investigation into shady business dealings. Two prosecutors found no fault with the Clintons. TWO! The first one filed his report; that wasn't good enough for the Newt Gingrich crowd so they authorized another investigation led by Kenn Starr. He also found to evidence of wrongdoing and wrapped up his investigation. Only after that did Linda Tripp reach him about Monica Lewinsky and we all know the rest of that story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwolff View Post
    This Stormy thing is really getting some media play and makes it worthwhile to revisit the Clinton impeachment.

    That got started as an investigation into shady business dealings. Two prosecutors found no fault with the Clintons. TWO! The first one filed his report; that wasn't good enough for the Newt Gingrich crowd so they authorized another investigation led by Kenn Starr. He also found to evidence of wrongdoing and wrapped up his investigation. Only after that did Linda Tripp reach him about Monica Lewinsky and we all know the rest of that story.

    Clinton was a clear cut example of sexual harassment and perjury.

    Trump isn't even close to either of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    Clinton was a clear cut example of sexual harassment and perjury. Trump isn't even close to either of these.
    Ken Starr was appointed in August 1994. President Clinton didn't commit perjury until January 1998. Logically, you should refrain from judgment until the same period has passed after Mueller's appointment, which would take us to November 2020.

    But we both know logic has nothing to do with it for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latrinsorm View Post
    Ken Starr was appointed in August 1994. President Clinton didn't commit perjury until January 1998. Logically, you should refrain from judgment until the same period has passed after Mueller's appointment, which would take us to November 2020.

    But we both know logic has nothing to do with it for you.
    That is an asinine assertion based on nothing but your butt hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~ View Post
    That is an asinine assertion based on nothing but your butt hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latrinsorm View Post
    Ken Starr was appointed in August 1994. President Clinton didn't commit perjury until January 1998. Logically, you should refrain from judgment until the same period has passed after Mueller's appointment, which would take us to November 2020.

    But we both know logic has nothing to do with it for you.
    Don't forget Mr. Fiske. Both Fiske and Starr cleared the Clintons. The sex is what got him. Stormy's got to be making the right nervous...at least the one who know their history. The parallels are amazing.

    "The investigation of Bill Clinton began in January 1994, when Attorney General Janet Reno appointed special prosecutor Robert Fiske to head the Whitewater investigation. Fiske's appointment, Gormley writes, first "prompted universal praise ... among Republicans."
    The praise lasted for several months — until Fiske wrapped up his criminal investigation within six months of his appointment. The short investigation, combined with Fiske's announcement that there was "no evidence that issues involving Whitewater, or other personal legal matters of the president or Mrs. Clinton, were a factor in [Vince] Foster's suicide," caused Republicans to declare Fiske "unfit for the job," Gormley writes."
    Last edited by cwolff; 03-27-2018 at 09:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwolff View Post
    Don't forget Mr. Fiske. Both Fiske and Starr cleared the Clintons. The sex is what got him. Stormy's got to be making the right nervous...at least the one who know their history.

    "The investigation of Bill Clinton began in January 1994, when Attorney General Janet Reno appointed special prosecutor Robert Fiske to head the Whitewater investigation. Fiske's appointment, Gormley writes, first "prompted universal praise ... among Republicans."
    The praise lasted for several months — until Fiske wrapped up his criminal investigation within six months of his appointment. The short investigation, combined with Fiske's announcement that there was "no evidence that issues involving Whitewater, or other personal legal matters of the president or Mrs. Clinton, were a factor in [Vince] Foster's suicide," caused Republicans to declare Fiske "unfit for the job," Gormley writes."
    The lying under oath is what got him, not the sexual harassment.

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    Adultery is a private choice. The important rejection of it comes from love, not intimidation. The reason not to commit it is that it is likely to devastate someone you love if he or she learns about it. And the only way that person won't learn about it is if you tell a lot of lies. Telling a lot of lies eventually harms your ability to maintain a trusting relationship; secretiveness undermines intimacy. And tending a committed, intimate relationship is a deeply meaningful part of life, though we all know it has its share of bad days.

    While biographers have described people who are exceptions and seem able to countenance adultery and marital intimacy at the same time, by and large the reason not to choose adultery is that the pleasure it offers is taken in trade for harming more enduring love and more important loved ones.

    But publicly humiliating anyone for consensual adultery is draconian, and wrong. It teaches children cynicism. What they see is how little respect there is for privacy, and how gratuitously and harshly adults will harm one another to gain a little power. And using adultery or any aspect of consensual adult sexuality as a weapon in political battles is more abhorrent than the act itself.

    You might say that how and why we disapprove of adultery is as important as whether we do.
    Last edited by Parkbandit; 03-26-2018 at 08:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    Adultery is a private choice. The important rejection of it comes from love, not intimidation. The reason not to commit it is that it is likely to devastate someone you love if he or she learns about it. And the only way that person won't learn about it is if you tell a lot of lies. Telling a lot of lies eventually harms your ability to maintain a trusting relationship; secretiveness undermines intimacy. And tending a committed, intimate relationship is a deeply meaningful part of life, though we all know it has its share of bad days.

    While biographers have described people who are exceptions and seem able to countenance adultery and marital intimacy at the same time, by and large the reason not to choose adultery is that the pleasure it offers is taken in trade for harming more enduring love and more important loved ones.

    But publicly humiliating anyone for consensual adultery is draconian, and wrong. It teaches children cynicism. What they see is how little respect there is for privacy, and how gratuitously and harshly adults will harm one another to gain a little power. And using adultery or any aspect of consensual adult sexuality as a weapon in political battles is more abhorrent than the act itself.

    You might say that how and why we disapprove of adultery is as important as whether we do.

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