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    Too bad to see Dreaven and Whirlin go. I haven't been very thrilled about the direction of the game the last couple years, either.

    Not very interested in picking apart or elaborating on any of the personal details that went into these decisions, except one...

    Quote Originally Posted by Whirlin View Post
    I also took my guides down at this point because hosting them in the wiki was a shitty decision. Wikis are better for collaboration, not single-contributor documents. I didn't like others editing them, their control over stating whether or not they would persist there, etc. Many were out dated, and having them there sucked.
    Mainly because it got a typical "oh those evil wiki mods" replies:

    Quote Originally Posted by Taernath View Post
    That sucks. Were the usual suspects editing/threatening to take down your guides?
    Whirlin ported his guides to gswiki during the new Player Guide Contest, and was selected among the winners, despite an extensive amount of said wiki work being moving existing guides to the wiki and overall not very collaborative.

    Never had any issues with Whirlin concerning the wiki myself which I can recall, particularly as his approach was rather reasonable (i.e. not trying to commandeer general pages as his own etc). Still, let's be objective and note that the guides were put up during a contest, he was selected among winners, and got rewards, and took them down a couple years later. If anyone wants to add a dash of subjective "usual suspects" on the wiki, pfffft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaldonis View Post
    Mainly because it got a typical "oh those evil wiki mods" replies:
    I take it your ears were burning, Kaldonis? I'm sorry you can't accept that there is a moderating problem on the wiki.
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    So Whirlin was rewarded for entering those guides and STILL ran away with his ball to try and make money off it? Wow, thats SUPER fucked up.

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    I missed the part about trying to make money off his guides. Can someone TLDR the part I missed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnOrdim View Post
    So Whirlin was rewarded for entering those guides and STILL ran away with his ball to try and make money off it? Wow, thats SUPER fucked up.
    That wasn't my point. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that GMs, in-game player organizations, and even the nebulous wiki team gets thrown under the bus in these kinds of threads a bit rashly.

    Whirlin was always cool with me, and I'm genuinely sad to see him go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Methais View Post
    I missed the part about trying to make money off his guides. Can someone TLDR the part I missed?
    From Whirlin's post:
    Quote Originally Posted by Whirlin View Post
    Given the financial/health insurance out of pocket maximums, I decided to start taking my old guides and transitioning them to a patreon. Somewhere that I had more control over the content, better management than something like a google site, and I could ask for donations to help alleviate the stupidly high subscription costs, because I wasn't going to dedicate all that money to them when I had better, competing priorities. I rewrote the wizard guide, performed new analysis of ELR breakpoints/whatnot, was in the midst of reestablishing methodology for the Sorcerer guide. I also tied in the huge $1 rewards in with establishing your own color in the discord server... because people like that shit.
    So the TL;DR is kind of, he was going to transition updated versions of his guide to patreon so that people could show their appreciation for the time he was taking to work on them. I don't really think that's the same as "taking his ball" or double dipping off of the guides that he had previously submitted that were well out of date, but that's just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taernath View Post
    I take it your ears were burning, Kaldonis? I'm sorry you can't accept that there is a moderating problem on the wiki.
    This is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperarx View Post
    From Whirlin's post:


    So the TL;DR is kind of, he was going to transition updated versions of his guide to patreon so that people could show their appreciation for the time he was taking to work on them. I don't really think that's the same as "taking his ball" or double dipping off of the guides that he had previously submitted that were well out of date, but that's just my opinion.
    Except, he (whirlin) mentions people updating his guides, submitted as part of a contest and thus now "owned" but the public, and allowed them to be submitted to the wiki, a group effort. Deciding one day that, oh yeah I might want to make money off that or i need to make money off that, and taking down something he was A) rewarded for as part of a contest and B) allowed to be public knowledge is just completely shit.

    I respected Whirlin, had he setup a fund raiser or drive to help him with his problems, sure no worries I am even in a position to give a bit of money. But frankly, fuck him.
    Fuck him - > For how the HOA consitently caused disruptions with the way they farmed and how little they gave a shit about how it impacted others. To the point that they basically said fuck you that anyone else was complaining, it was costing them silvers to be slowed down. They didnt give a shit they they were constantly breaking Reim and causing lag for the entire other game.

    Fuck him -> for this shit he's pulling now about playing victim. He hijacked Dreaven's thread to cry about how he allied with such a shitty group of people that when he had problems and couldnt come around for a bit they fucking kicked him to the curb like the sack of shit he is. The same fucking disdain he displayed for the community with his group, his group turned around and showed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnOrdim View Post
    Except, he (whirlin) mentions people updating his guides, submitted as part of a contest and thus now "owned" but the public, and allowed them to be submitted to the wiki, a group effort. Deciding one day that, oh yeah I might want to make money off that or i need to make money off that, and taking down something he was A) rewarded for as part of a contest and B) allowed to be public knowledge is just completely shit.

    I respected Whirlin, had he setup a fund raiser or drive to help him with his problems, sure no worries I am even in a position to give a bit of money. But frankly, fuck him.
    Fuck him - > For how the HOA consitently caused disruptions with the way they farmed and how little they gave a shit about how it impacted others. To the point that they basically said fuck you that anyone else was complaining, it was costing them silvers to be slowed down. They didnt give a shit they they were constantly breaking Reim and causing lag for the entire other game.

    Fuck him -> for this shit he's pulling now about playing victim. He hijacked Dreaven's thread to cry about how he allied with such a shitty group of people that when he had problems and couldnt come around for a bit they fucking kicked him to the curb like the sack of shit he is. The same fucking disdain he displayed for the community with his group, his group turned around and showed him.
    He didn't really hijack it. I asked him why he quit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    He didn't really hijack it. I asked him why he quit.
    Well, fuck me, you might be right about that point.

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