Level 50 Rogue Build Checkup

[Wheelerm]

I've been away for about 4 or 5 years and wanted a quick checkup. I'm about to use a fixskill and wanted to get your opinion about this build.

I'm a Dark Elf TWC ambushing rogue that picks my own boxes. I do occasionally pick other people's boxes, but not often. I am in Voln, and I think I'm at step 10, if I recall correctly...

Member of the Rogue Guild, but have not mastered any skills yet.

Goals:

1. Get into MBP (wearing chainmail shirt right now)
2. Get to 15 ranks of MOC (have my first 5 ranks now, and will begin to build this up since I've gotten to 410 - on target to hit 10 ranks at level 65 and 15 ranks at level 81)
3. Begin 3x PF, Picking, and Disarming (will begin 3xing these skills at level 51)
4. I had a group of friends I hunted with when I was last in game, but they've all capped now and/or they are not currently playing, so I want to be able to hunt like-level critters alone.

STAT        LEVEL 0    NOW
STR		90	100
CON		60	75
DEX	S	90	100
AGL	P	90	100
DIS		70	83
AUR	M	70	81
LOG		50	70
INT		50	75
WIS	M	60	68
INF		30	51

Armor Use	             51	(1.0X)
Edged Weapons	            100	(2.0X)
Two Weapon Combat	    100	(2.0X)
Combat Maneuvers	     51	(1.0X)
Multi-Opponent Combat	      5	(0.1X)
Ambush	                     51	(1.0X)
Physical Fitness	     75	(1.5X)
Dodging	                    100	(2.0X)
Climbing	             25	(0.5X)
Swimming	             20	(0.4X)
Disarm Traps	            100	(2.0X)
Picking Locks	            100	(2.0X)
Stalking and Hiding	    100	(2.0X)
Perception	             75	(1.5X)
Arcane Symbols	              7	(0.1X)
Magic Item Use	              8	(0.2X)
Harness Power	             13	(0.3X)
Spell Research	             10	(0.2X)
    Minor Elemental	     10	(0.2X) (410! YAY!)

Combat Maneuvers:

Shadow Mastery: 4 ranks (will pick up fifth rank at level 53)
Vanish: All three ranks

I'm thinking about picking up Sucker Punch next. What do you recommend?

Basically, rip this apart and tell me if I'm doing anything wrong. If I were to execute this build right now, I'd have 3 PTP and 0 MTP left.

Thanks a lot!

[wetsand]

Welcome back, a lot has changed since you left. Your build looks fine but I would strongly suggest reading about the changes to brawling/Unarmed combat. UAC rogues, especially voln members, are an excellent choice.

[Wheelerm]

Thanks. I had a UAC build when it was first introduced and I did like it. I remember thinking that I liked the build, but that it could have used some work. There are a lot of smart people on this forum who I'm sure have poked and prodded the UAC build and have figured a lot of good stuff out.

I've got three different spreadsheets for my rogue. This one, one for a UAC Build, and one for a THW build. Still working on the latter two ATM, though.

[Wheelerm]

Here's my UAC Rogue build...

STAT        LEVEL 0    NOW
STR		90	100
CON		60	75
DEX	S	90	100
AGL	P	90	100
DIS		70	83
AUR	M	70	81
LOG		50	70
INT		50	75
WIS	M	60	68
INF		30	51

Armor Use	             51	(1.0X)
Brawling	            102	(2.0X)
Combat Maneuvers	     51	(1.0X)
Multi-Opponent Combat	     15	(0.3X)
Ambush	                     51	(1.0X)
Physical Fitness	    102	(2.0X)
Dodging	                    127	(2.5X)
Climbing	             25	(0.5X)
Swimming	             20	(0.4X)
Disarm Traps	            100	(2.0X)
Picking Locks	            100	(2.0X)
Stalking and Hiding	    100	(2.0X)
Perception	             75	(1.5X)
Arcane Symbols	              7	(0.1X)
Magic Item Use	              8	(0.2X)
Harness Power	             13	(0.3X)
Spell Research	             10	(0.2X)
    Minor Elemental	     10	(0.2X)

Combat Maneuvers:

Shadow Mastery: 4 ranks (will pick up fifth rank at level 53)
Vanish: All three ranks

[Wheelerm]

Here's my THW Rogue build...

STAT        LEVEL 0    NOW
STR		90	100
CON		60	75
DEX	S	90	100
AGL	P	90	100
DIS		70	83
AUR	M	70	81
LOG		50	70
INT		50	75
WIS	M	60	68
INF		30	51

Armor Use	             51	(1.0X) (Begin 3x at level 51)
Two-Handed Weapons	     99	(2.0X)
Combat Maneuvers	     51	(1.0X)
Multi-Opponent Combat	      5	(0.1X)
Ambush	                     51	(1.0X)
Physical Fitness	     75	(1.5X)
Dodging	                     99	(2.0X)
Climbing	             25	(0.5X)
Swimming	             20	(0.4X)
Disarm Traps	             99	(1.9X) (Begin 3x at level 51)
Picking Locks	             99	(1.9X) (Begin 3x at level 51)
Stalking and Hiding	     99	(1.9X)
Perception	             75	(1.5X)
Arcane Symbols	              7	(0.1X)
Magic Item Use	              8	(0.2X)
Harness Power	             10	(0.2X)
Spell Research	             10	(0.2X)
    Minor Elemental	     10	(0.2X)

Combat Maneuvers:

Shadow Mastery: 4 ranks (will pick up fifth rank at level 53)
Vanish: All three ranks

[wetsand]

Here's my UAC Rogue build...

STAT        LEVEL 0    NOW
STR		90	100
CON		60	75
DEX	S	90	100
AGL	P	90	100
DIS		70	83
AUR	M	70	81
LOG		50	70
INT		50	75
WIS	M	60	68
INF		30	51

Armor Use	             51	(1.0X)
Brawling	            102	(2.0X)
Combat Maneuvers	     51	(1.0X)
Multi-Opponent Combat	     15	(0.3X)
Ambush	                     51	(1.0X)
Physical Fitness	    102	(2.0X)
Dodging	                    127	(2.5X)
Climbing	             25	(0.5X)
Swimming	             20	(0.4X)
Disarm Traps	            100	(2.0X)
Picking Locks	            100	(2.0X)
Stalking and Hiding	    100	(2.0X)
Perception	             75	(1.5X)
Arcane Symbols	              7	(0.1X)
Magic Item Use	              8	(0.2X)
Harness Power	             13	(0.3X)
Spell Research	             10	(0.2X)
    Minor Elemental	     10	(0.2X)

Combat Maneuvers:

Shadow Mastery: 4 ranks (will pick up fifth rank at level 53)
Vanish: All three ranks

Only issue I can see here is you don't have any training in TWC, so you will be lacking a tad in the DS department. I would suggest either getting 1 rank of TWC (+5 DS) or .5x(+15 DS). Another option, while more expensive TPs wise, is pick up shield training and then get shielded brawler. Its going to be tough to fit everything in with the spells but it will all work out in the end. Not sure where your rogue is located but my Monk is level 53 and would be happy to show you around. He is collecting favor in Bonespear at the moment but is generally hunting the Blighted Forest.

[Wheelerm]

Only issue I can see here is you don't have any training in TWC, so you will be lacking a tad in the DS department. I would suggest either getting 1 rank of TWC (+5 DS) or .5x(+15 DS). Another option, while more expensive TPs wise, is pick up shield training and then get shielded brawler. Its going to be tough to fit everything in with the spells but it will all work out in the end. Not sure where your rogue is located but my Monk is level 53 and would be happy to show you around. He is collecting favor in Bonespear at the moment but is generally hunting the Blighted Forest.

Oh, nice! Thanks for the offer, I'd really appreciate teaming up with a like-level character.

I'm in EN at the moment, but I can get to wherever you are (that isn't GSPlat restricted).

So TWC ups DS? Interesting! How much TWC should I pick up? Is it something like 1x, or a static amount?

Thanks for the input and the offer, wetsand.

Edited to add:

Derp...I just read your post more carefully and see that one rank of TWC will add 5 DS. I guess I was wondering: would doing some sort of .5x training in TWC add more DS?

[wetsand]

Oh, nice! Thanks for the offer, I'd really appreciate teaming up with a like-level character.

I'm in EN at the moment, but I can get to wherever you are (that isn't GSPlat restricted).

So TWC ups DS? Interesting! How much TWC should I pick up? Is it something like 1x, or a static amount?

Thanks for the input and the offer, wetsand.

Edited to add:

Derp...I just read your post more carefully and see that one rank of TWC will add 5 DS. I guess I was wondering: would doing some sort of .5x training in TWC add more DS?

.5x will give you about +15 more DS. I don't think anything more will really help your DS.

[Wheelerm]

.5x will give you about +15 more DS. I don't think anything more will really help your DS.

Yes, I missed that part of your recommendation, too...sorry about that.

Okay, I'll modify the build to include .5x TWC training and see what happens with the MOC portion (I spent a lot of points to get 15 ranks of MOC, but .5x TWC would be a better trade-off. I do not want to lose 410, though).

[Wheelerm]

So after including 0.5 TWC:

Armor Use	        51	(1.0X)
Brawling	        102	(2.0X)
Two Weapon Combat	26	(0.5X)
Combat Maneuvers	51	(1.0X)
Multi-Opponent Combat	5	(0.1X)
Ambush	                51	(1.0X)
Physical Fitness	102	(2.0X)
Dodging	                127	(2.5X)
Climbing	        25	(0.5X)
Swimming	        20	(0.4X)
Disarm Traps	        100	(2.0X)
Picking Locks	        100	(2.0X)
Stalking and Hiding	100	(2.0X)
Perception	        75	(1.5X)
Arcane Symbols	        7	(0.1X)
Magic Item Use	        8	(0.2X)
Harness Power	        13	(0.3X)
Spell Research	        10	(0.2X)
    Minor Elemental         10	     (0.2X)

I'll have 5 ranks of MOC at my current level, will have 10 ranks of MOC at level 55 and 15 ranks MOC at level 65...doesn't sound like a bad trade-off to me...

Thanks, wetsand!